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One engine shut down
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"shutting one engine during flight"
I have flown with a few folks who have shut down engines to conserve fuel. Some of them I commend their actions in the situations as their options were running thin and this saved their lives.
If you need to increase your endurance you will do anything you have to.
I guess you forget that from your GA days.
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"shutting one engine during flight"
I have flown with a few folks who have shut down engines to conserve fuel. Some of them I commend their actions in the situations as their options were running thin and this saved their lives.
If you need to increase your endurance you will do anything you have to.
I guess you forget that from your GA days.
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Well now that the new operator has been doing the run for a few weeks, does anyone have any information on how they are doing? One thing I have heard whispered is that whoever has been flying it has been somewhat reluctant to take any advice from anyone associated with the previous operators.
Teletubby; I would appreciate it if you refrained from making any comment whatsoever! I wish to read serious comment, not sycophancy or fantasy!
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Teletubby; I would appreciate it if you refrained from making any comment whatsoever! I wish to read serious comment, not sycophancy or fantasy!
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Bingomash,
In a emergency you do what you have to do get your self on the ground in one piece.I wouldnt be patting anyone on the back for shutting one down just to save fuel.
Your mate telefluppy is saying in normal operations you can shut one down to save fuel.
My questions to Mr teledummy are as follows.
1.After shuting one down will the a/c maintain height and speed?
2,What could you expect the live engines Temps and pressures to do.?
3,What will happen to the operating engines fuel consumption?
In a emergency you do what you have to do get your self on the ground in one piece.I wouldnt be patting anyone on the back for shutting one down just to save fuel.
Your mate telefluppy is saying in normal operations you can shut one down to save fuel.
My questions to Mr teledummy are as follows.
1.After shuting one down will the a/c maintain height and speed?
2,What could you expect the live engines Temps and pressures to do.?
3,What will happen to the operating engines fuel consumption?
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............Tellytubby windsem up
If shuting one engine down saves fuel then shuting 2 down would save twice the fuel 
You blokes need to have a bex and a lie down if you think this tellytubby bloke is not trying to wind you up.
he must have been thinking of an Orion he used to fly.
You blokes need to have a bex and a lie down if you think this tellytubby bloke is not trying to wind you up.
he must have been thinking of an Orion he used to fly.
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It appears that the "Pride of the fleet" (the 402) is still a long way from being ready. If they are still using the Baron when the tourist season kicks off further up the track they may find it's just not quite adequate for the job.
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Thanks DF. I'm still somewhat surprised that they intend using a 402 'though. As you said in your last post, come tourist season there will be a few problems.
I still remember one morning loading near enough to 200kg of stuff for Innamincka alone!
BTW, any idea why they shifted the run from the weekends to Wed/Thurs? Would have thought that such a move would have upset quite a few of the station people. They were quite used to having the run on the weekends. Still remember the small hassle when Roseberth and Durrie were changed from the Sunday to Saturday.
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I still remember one morning loading near enough to 200kg of stuff for Innamincka alone!
BTW, any idea why they shifted the run from the weekends to Wed/Thurs? Would have thought that such a move would have upset quite a few of the station people. They were quite used to having the run on the weekends. Still remember the small hassle when Roseberth and Durrie were changed from the Sunday to Saturday.
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BRING BACK THE SHRIKE!!!!!!
I used to refuel load that beast.... and it WAS a BEAST!!!!!
It could handle MORE frreight ( area wise) than a chieftan / 402 .... was more pax friendly than a PA31/402 ....... and was a LOT cheaper due a lower fuel flow, no turbocharger etc etc,...
I have NEVER flown either three... but have done a bit of study on all types, as well on the run itself ...... MAYBE, the PA31 is NOT the best a/c for the run ?
once again... I am NO expert. Have NEVER been on the run, or flown an AC50 ..... HOWEVER.... by the books.... at 40+C .... maybe the AC50 IS the way to go ????
I used to refuel load that beast.... and it WAS a BEAST!!!!!
It could handle MORE frreight ( area wise) than a chieftan / 402 .... was more pax friendly than a PA31/402 ....... and was a LOT cheaper due a lower fuel flow, no turbocharger etc etc,...
I have NEVER flown either three... but have done a bit of study on all types, as well on the run itself ...... MAYBE, the PA31 is NOT the best a/c for the run ?
once again... I am NO expert. Have NEVER been on the run, or flown an AC50 ..... HOWEVER.... by the books.... at 40+C .... maybe the AC50 IS the way to go ????
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BRING BACK THE SHRIKE!!!!!!
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Shrike C402B Cheiftain Baron Maybe?
Seems like everyone is having a guess about whats going on, one thing is for sure the operater and management team is as good as it gets when it comes to adapting quickly and finding the right machine for the job. The bloke at the helm of WWA can adapt very quickly in any industry and I don't think there are many operations people more qualified then those behind the desk at WWA, i.e. the Girls. Being from the cattle industry himself I don't think PC would leave any stops out by chioce. However mail runs all over Australia were re-evaluated last contract, that was Austalia Posts deciscion.
What will end up on the run is the right Aircraft for the job, the shrike was talked about, but hey if there are enough tourist and a titan is needed then thats what it will get if warrented. And that will make life easy for the pilot, they out perform the cheiftain, there great to fly, there nice to ride in. Would be a great job. . .
Would love to have a go at it myself, a know a number of the guys and girl that have done it in the past. As for there gun pilot in the pride of the fleet, well the stand is hi out there, But no one but Ernie is th GUN.
What will end up on the run is the right Aircraft for the job, the shrike was talked about, but hey if there are enough tourist and a titan is needed then thats what it will get if warrented. And that will make life easy for the pilot, they out perform the cheiftain, there great to fly, there nice to ride in. Would be a great job. . .
Would love to have a go at it myself, a know a number of the guys and girl that have done it in the past. As for there gun pilot in the pride of the fleet, well the stand is hi out there, But no one but Ernie is th GUN.
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Tinpis; If memory serves correctly PAGAS had a Partenavia which was used on the then mail run and on the Pag-Adl service. When TK/CK bought ID out and started Augusta Airways they had the Partenavia and (J)AWS the A mod. 402. Later the Partenavia was replaced with the Shrike Commander ACZ and an A mod. 421 AAI was purchased.
Both the 402 which went to EMU and the 421 were in due course were replaced by Chieftains and the Shrike was used on the mail run as well as the Pag-Adl service.
Roost; A Titan would be the worst possible aircraft to use on the mail run!
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Both the 402 which went to EMU and the 421 were in due course were replaced by Chieftains and the Shrike was used on the mail run as well as the Pag-Adl service.
Roost; A Titan would be the worst possible aircraft to use on the mail run!
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How could a Titan be bad?
Given the types use, how could a Titan be bad. Think u need to check your figures and Stats. Take into account pax comfort, ease of operation, airflow for pax on the ground. Fuel load, fuel burn. ease of hot start.
Would like some specific of such a big and unsubstancitated call.
Would like some specific of such a big and unsubstancitated call.
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Would like some specific of such a big and unsubstancitated call.
How about many engine shutdowns and restarts?
How about low wing restricts pax view?
How about +35C temps, and short(ish) runways, not always dry? .... last I looked, the Titan wasn't STOL.
Just a thought.
