Flight Crew Photo ID Fees Coming
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Okay! I must in all good consciense apologise for my intemperate comments. Not so much getting out of bed on the wrong side as not making it there after a long tour.
However I do not see why anyone would jump the gun by applying early for this nonsense. It can have escaped no-one that there is a collective negativity toward the concept; the whole process thus far has been poorly articulated and/or implemented and to many minds is either, (a). somehow sinister or (b). a monumental exercise in futility with an accompanying price tag.
CASA themselves have been less than enthusiastic and indeed their own instructions to pilots already licensed is NOT to apply, they will contact you at the appropriate time.
From my discussions with the odd bureacrat involved in the tangled web of agencies and departments who have to have input, and administer the results of some bright sparks bright idea, there is a lot of detail that yet needs coherent direction.
e.g, for those of us already holding an ASIC, why have the system clogged up with a redundant series of checks and paperwork.
Lastly, inevietable as it is, for my mind I cannot for the life of me see what is hoped to be achieved. In 20 plus years of holding professional licences I can think of no occasion when establishing my bono-fides would have been enhanced by having a photo on my licence. In fact my licence sits year in year out in a pocket of my nav bag rarely seeing the light of day.
However I do not see why anyone would jump the gun by applying early for this nonsense. It can have escaped no-one that there is a collective negativity toward the concept; the whole process thus far has been poorly articulated and/or implemented and to many minds is either, (a). somehow sinister or (b). a monumental exercise in futility with an accompanying price tag.
CASA themselves have been less than enthusiastic and indeed their own instructions to pilots already licensed is NOT to apply, they will contact you at the appropriate time.
From my discussions with the odd bureacrat involved in the tangled web of agencies and departments who have to have input, and administer the results of some bright sparks bright idea, there is a lot of detail that yet needs coherent direction.
e.g, for those of us already holding an ASIC, why have the system clogged up with a redundant series of checks and paperwork.
Lastly, inevietable as it is, for my mind I cannot for the life of me see what is hoped to be achieved. In 20 plus years of holding professional licences I can think of no occasion when establishing my bono-fides would have been enhanced by having a photo on my licence. In fact my licence sits year in year out in a pocket of my nav bag rarely seeing the light of day.
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The reason to apply for the licence now from most pilots point of view I believe was to avoid the hefty fee they charge for the security checks at least for the first issue of the licence.
Like it or not the photo licence and security checks are here and I cannot see them being removed as the government wants to be seen as taking an active role in the security of our country. Lets face it, September 11 is still taking its toll on our industry years later.
As for CASA charging people for the new licence after already issuing the licence at no charge I really dont see how they could do that. I am not trying to call you a liar John but I believe Icarus is right. If CASA try to charge you for something months after sending it to you for free I am sure there would be a huge amount of problems. You can only charge someone for something they have agreed to purchase. When I called licencing a month ago before applying for my licence I was told there was no charge at this time. No mention was made that I would be charged at a later date anyway so legally I dont see how they could bill me for it.
But basically spotlight, I know you arent happy about the way CASA are doing things at the moment with these licences, I dont think many of us are, but complaining about it isnt changing CASA's mind. May aswell try and avoid spending more money in an already expensive industry to be involved in.
Like it or not the photo licence and security checks are here and I cannot see them being removed as the government wants to be seen as taking an active role in the security of our country. Lets face it, September 11 is still taking its toll on our industry years later.
As for CASA charging people for the new licence after already issuing the licence at no charge I really dont see how they could do that. I am not trying to call you a liar John but I believe Icarus is right. If CASA try to charge you for something months after sending it to you for free I am sure there would be a huge amount of problems. You can only charge someone for something they have agreed to purchase. When I called licencing a month ago before applying for my licence I was told there was no charge at this time. No mention was made that I would be charged at a later date anyway so legally I dont see how they could bill me for it.
But basically spotlight, I know you arent happy about the way CASA are doing things at the moment with these licences, I dont think many of us are, but complaining about it isnt changing CASA's mind. May aswell try and avoid spending more money in an already expensive industry to be involved in.
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The new Regulations have come in. However, there still are some holes in them and problems.
Everyone will need a photo ID by 31 December 2005, otherwise you will not be able to fly.
Everyone, including those who have already applied will need to reapply for a photo ID so as police records checks can be done.
There will be a new form coming.
There have been no charges legislated currently, so you can still get a Photo ID for free, at least for the next few weeks until an amendment is processed to fix the holes and anable charges to be introduced.
As soon as the new form is available, go for it and get one (some of you again, and sorry about that - couldn't predict it would be SNAFU) to avaoid the charges.
Suggest get it ASAP to avoid the charges and avoid the last minute rush and delay towards the end. On 1 January 2006, no photo ID = no fly.
Everyone will need a photo ID by 31 December 2005, otherwise you will not be able to fly.
Everyone, including those who have already applied will need to reapply for a photo ID so as police records checks can be done.
There will be a new form coming.
There have been no charges legislated currently, so you can still get a Photo ID for free, at least for the next few weeks until an amendment is processed to fix the holes and anable charges to be introduced.
As soon as the new form is available, go for it and get one (some of you again, and sorry about that - couldn't predict it would be SNAFU) to avaoid the charges.
Suggest get it ASAP to avoid the charges and avoid the last minute rush and delay towards the end. On 1 January 2006, no photo ID = no fly.
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I spoke to them just today and was told that ALL photo IDs will be charged (as John said), even those that have already recieved and/or applied for the photo licence.
Current licence holders are not being processed, and those who have already applied will be required to fill in the new form when it comes out and pay the fees.
I agree, I don't know how they can charge retrospectively, but that is what I was told from CB.
Current licence holders are not being processed, and those who have already applied will be required to fill in the new form when it comes out and pay the fees.
I agree, I don't know how they can charge retrospectively, but that is what I was told from CB.
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Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
CASA currently can't charge for anything to do with Photo ID or background checks as there is no legislation to currently allow them to do it (SNAFU).
However, an amendment is being rushed through in the next week or so to introduce charges.
The legislation cannot be retrospective for charges. So if your application is sitting in front of them in Canberra, they cannot charge whether it is for a full Photo ID and all checks, or just for the AFP Check (for those who already have a Photo ID issued since July 2004).
For the latest on photo licences (and they have changed the title) see http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/photo/index.htm
There are changes affecting persons under 18 and holders of current ASIC cards.
Extract below from CASA website for others:
Application forms
During the next two weeks, applicants wanting a new flight crew licence (note this does not include the reprinting of an existing licence) are required to fill in an application form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form639.pdf and a criminal records check - consent form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regul...olicecheck.pdf
Changes to requirements
Starting 10 March 2005, CASA may only issue a flight crew licence or special pilot licence if the applicant meets the requirements in the new regulations. If you have applied for a flight crew licence or special pilot licence recently and you have not been issued with the licence, you should complete the criminal records check - consent form. http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regul...olicecheck.pdf
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
There is supposed to be an electronic application form coming out to assist in completing details online and then print out for use.
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
CASA currently can't charge for anything to do with Photo ID or background checks as there is no legislation to currently allow them to do it (SNAFU).
However, an amendment is being rushed through in the next week or so to introduce charges.
The legislation cannot be retrospective for charges. So if your application is sitting in front of them in Canberra, they cannot charge whether it is for a full Photo ID and all checks, or just for the AFP Check (for those who already have a Photo ID issued since July 2004).
For the latest on photo licences (and they have changed the title) see http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/photo/index.htm
There are changes affecting persons under 18 and holders of current ASIC cards.
Extract below from CASA website for others:
Application forms
During the next two weeks, applicants wanting a new flight crew licence (note this does not include the reprinting of an existing licence) are required to fill in an application form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form639.pdf and a criminal records check - consent form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regul...olicecheck.pdf
Changes to requirements
Starting 10 March 2005, CASA may only issue a flight crew licence or special pilot licence if the applicant meets the requirements in the new regulations. If you have applied for a flight crew licence or special pilot licence recently and you have not been issued with the licence, you should complete the criminal records check - consent form. http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regul...olicecheck.pdf
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
There is supposed to be an electronic application form coming out to assist in completing details online and then print out for use.
