Flight Crew Photo ID Fees Coming
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It's not even legislated yet for CASA Regs, that's why NO charge. Have ASIC card and Drivers licence with address and photo ID does the same thing. It's more Gov'tment crap, remember to read the back - ORGAN DONAR - Ring CASA
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I lodged my application at Bankstown mid-January and recieved my photo id less than three weeks later. No fee charged. I already held a SPL issued prior to June last year.
Got mine last year with SPL. It did take three weeks and inquiries determined that the hold up was in ASIO not in CASA.
The applications apparently go in batches to ASIO every day or so. However they don't necessarily come out in the same batch for obvious reasons.
CASA people were very nice and helpful. I was sweating on getting the paperwork at the time so I could do my GFPT.
The applications apparently go in batches to ASIO every day or so. However they don't necessarily come out in the same batch for obvious reasons.
CASA people were very nice and helpful. I was sweating on getting the paperwork at the time so I could do my GFPT.
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For the record it is a fact that the whole security check/photo ID was generated by Government and DOTARS NOT CASA.
When the order came from above I was advised and assured personally by the Director that this was so on the day of the media announcement.
Why? Whether CASA thought it was a good idea or not wasn't the question, it was a Government intitative in which they necessarily would have to be involved at some disruption, cost and reoorganisation to their existing process.
In other words don't shoot the messenger, CASA are doing what they are told and politely I am sure.
PERSPECTIVE
If I recall it correctly, the gaining of my license in 1962 was a process not unlike getting a passport (which as aircrew Internationally it was) with a not disimilar cost, requirements and processing time involved.
I still posess the original with a photo, security stamped, of this impossibly young skinny kid with a signature that could still be recognised as my current one.
Whether the security service of those days was involved I do not know, but I would not be surprised if they were.
The nationality was of course then BRTISH, although I was 6th gen Oz and it is issued by Donald George himself.
The license then as it does now ? entitle you to command or crew a VH registered aircraft flight anywhere it was legally possible so to do with the license substituting as a passport.
Don't you think the nation would expect that the authorities should have some control over who does what with our stamp of approval on it.
I am personally embarrased by the notion that a fellow "Australian" citizen thinks it's OK to train terrorsts or be trained by them and then seek compensation from us through our courts for imagined injustices. How did he get a passport in the first place?
We didn't have terrorists then??? unless you count the odd hijacking, blowing up of airliners in the desert, Baader Meinhoff, Red Brigade and so on.
AND you didn't have to stand in the ALIENS queue at LHR to gain entry into the motherland.
So does an ICAO type pilot license carry similar weight to a passport or not?
And whats the beef now.
When the order came from above I was advised and assured personally by the Director that this was so on the day of the media announcement.
Why? Whether CASA thought it was a good idea or not wasn't the question, it was a Government intitative in which they necessarily would have to be involved at some disruption, cost and reoorganisation to their existing process.
In other words don't shoot the messenger, CASA are doing what they are told and politely I am sure.
PERSPECTIVE
If I recall it correctly, the gaining of my license in 1962 was a process not unlike getting a passport (which as aircrew Internationally it was) with a not disimilar cost, requirements and processing time involved.
I still posess the original with a photo, security stamped, of this impossibly young skinny kid with a signature that could still be recognised as my current one.
Whether the security service of those days was involved I do not know, but I would not be surprised if they were.
The nationality was of course then BRTISH, although I was 6th gen Oz and it is issued by Donald George himself.
The license then as it does now ? entitle you to command or crew a VH registered aircraft flight anywhere it was legally possible so to do with the license substituting as a passport.
Don't you think the nation would expect that the authorities should have some control over who does what with our stamp of approval on it.
I am personally embarrased by the notion that a fellow "Australian" citizen thinks it's OK to train terrorsts or be trained by them and then seek compensation from us through our courts for imagined injustices. How did he get a passport in the first place?
We didn't have terrorists then??? unless you count the odd hijacking, blowing up of airliners in the desert, Baader Meinhoff, Red Brigade and so on.
AND you didn't have to stand in the ALIENS queue at LHR to gain entry into the motherland.
So does an ICAO type pilot license carry similar weight to a passport or not?
And whats the beef now.
So does an ICAO type pilot license carry similar weight to a passport or not?
Gaunty,
No. My UK ATPL no longer has the photo on the front page, either, nor the assertion that "the holder may, at all times, re-enter Great Britain and Northern Ireland upon production of this document"
In fact the UK licence looks awfully similar to our production, even the page size, etc. And why are we becoming non ICAO standard with the photo licence
No. My UK ATPL no longer has the photo on the front page, either, nor the assertion that "the holder may, at all times, re-enter Great Britain and Northern Ireland upon production of this document"
In fact the UK licence looks awfully similar to our production, even the page size, etc. And why are we becoming non ICAO standard with the photo licence
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The election is tomorrow and the bookies wont take any money either way now, unless you want to buy it.
God help us if we dont throw the current lot out and God help us if we do.
The canal is looking like that far one at the moment.
I think it is visionary, like most of the projects that have put West Oz on the map.
Kalgoorlie water pipeline put Kal and the gold industry on the map, the Pilbara Iron Ore developments account for a huge royalty and foreign income stream, with the oil, gas pipeline and gas export to Japan and China.
NONE of them Labour initiatives despite providing jobs and serious incomes for hundreds of thousands of thier constituents.
Water was, is and always be the lynchpin of all the development on the West Coast.
You only need go back to your geography, geomorphology and meteorology 101 to see why most continents west coasts have the same problem.
If my memory serves correctly ALL the water used in LAX and surrounding market gardens and conurbations come by canal from the Colorado River.
The range wars were about water not cattle.
The benefits to the aviation world have been dramatic, I venture we'd still be running around in clapped out F27s with bi weekly jets to Darwin.
The election is tomorrow and the bookies wont take any money either way now, unless you want to buy it.
God help us if we dont throw the current lot out and God help us if we do.
The canal is looking like that far one at the moment.
I think it is visionary, like most of the projects that have put West Oz on the map.
Kalgoorlie water pipeline put Kal and the gold industry on the map, the Pilbara Iron Ore developments account for a huge royalty and foreign income stream, with the oil, gas pipeline and gas export to Japan and China.
NONE of them Labour initiatives despite providing jobs and serious incomes for hundreds of thousands of thier constituents.
Water was, is and always be the lynchpin of all the development on the West Coast.
You only need go back to your geography, geomorphology and meteorology 101 to see why most continents west coasts have the same problem.
If my memory serves correctly ALL the water used in LAX and surrounding market gardens and conurbations come by canal from the Colorado River.
The range wars were about water not cattle.
The benefits to the aviation world have been dramatic, I venture we'd still be running around in clapped out F27s with bi weekly jets to Darwin.
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Applied late Jan through Brenda Jarrat at the local CASA office, where the service was second to none.
Photo ID licence received yesterday by registered mail, consisting of a laminated sheet with two photos of moi, ARN, Name, DoB, Nationality, Signature, Issue Date & Expiry date, which is five years hence, and a replacement licence, page one having a B&W image of moi again.
An accompanying note says, in part, "Unless it is cancelled or suspended, your flight crew licence is perpetually valid. Please note that your flight crew licence identification is valid for five years."
No charge, no account to be paid.
Photo ID licence received yesterday by registered mail, consisting of a laminated sheet with two photos of moi, ARN, Name, DoB, Nationality, Signature, Issue Date & Expiry date, which is five years hence, and a replacement licence, page one having a B&W image of moi again.
An accompanying note says, in part, "Unless it is cancelled or suspended, your flight crew licence is perpetually valid. Please note that your flight crew licence identification is valid for five years."
No charge, no account to be paid.
Time is running out
Time is running out: no it isn't! The FCL at Canberra were good enough to spend some time on the phone this morning, and the current situation is:
Only new licences are being processed at the moment
Existing licence holders are being dealt with ATPL first, CPL next
Charges will be raised on all photo licences, even those already issued
Costs are:
Full security check & licence issue $147.50
Renewal $132.00
Photo ID no security check $93.50
Photo ID, police check only (ASIC holder) $36.00
Replacement for lost licence $25.00
So the office issuing licences have suspended all but new issues, they don't have the manpower to process applications from existing licence holders. Even the sky gods applications are in the box under the desk
They hadn't thought of processing the ASIC holders applications (speed up the backlog), but took the suggestion on board, and might attack them earlier.
131757, Canberra Flight Crew Licencing.
Only new licences are being processed at the moment
Existing licence holders are being dealt with ATPL first, CPL next
Charges will be raised on all photo licences, even those already issued
Costs are:
Full security check & licence issue $147.50
Renewal $132.00
Photo ID no security check $93.50
Photo ID, police check only (ASIC holder) $36.00
Replacement for lost licence $25.00
So the office issuing licences have suspended all but new issues, they don't have the manpower to process applications from existing licence holders. Even the sky gods applications are in the box under the desk
They hadn't thought of processing the ASIC holders applications (speed up the backlog), but took the suggestion on board, and might attack them earlier.131757, Canberra Flight Crew Licencing.
kookabat,
As already said:
Charges will be raised on all photo licences, even those already issued
I'm only passing on the result of a phone call this morning to CASA FCL Canberra: call them yourself, let us know how you get on, but from that call it would appear that they intend sending out invoices for licences already issued.
As already said:
Charges will be raised on all photo licences, even those already issued
I'm only passing on the result of a phone call this morning to CASA FCL Canberra: call them yourself, let us know how you get on, but from that call it would appear that they intend sending out invoices for licences already issued.
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Has this turned into the thread to discuss the whole security thing on? In the absence of anything else... At least it hasn't been locked yet...
Just quickly, received a letter from Mr Anderson recently with this on it:
Well THIS is a change! On the DOTARS website we have this:
So our friends over at RAA won't get away easily either.
Next point from the letter:
Alrighty then. What is an act of unlawful interference?
(from https://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/asr..._casa_regs.pdf)
Sounds like an act of terrorism to me. So in being designed to mitigate risks from 'acts of unlawful interferance' they're trying to stop acts of terrorism... so that'd make it an anti terrorism tool, right?
Make any sense to anyone at all???
Just quickly, received a letter from Mr Anderson recently with this on it:
In your letter, you query as to why pilots of ultra light aircraft will not be subjected to background checking. Under the new regulations, pilots of all powered aircraft will be required to undergo background checking.
Sport aircraft are not included in the category of aircraft required to be secured from theft. Background checking will not be carried out on pilots of sport aircraft and they will not be required to have a photographic licence
Next point from the letter:
The implementation of the new regulation is an instrument devised to mitigate the risk associated with the unlawful interference with aviation and is not intended to specifically be an anti terrorism tool
Acts of Unlawful Interference (Definition given for guidance purposes)
These are acts or attempted acts such as to jeopardise the safety of civil aviation
and air transport, i.e.
• unlawful seizure of an aircraft
• unlawful seizure of an aircraft on the ground
• hostage-taking on board aircraft or aerodromes
• forcible intrusion on board an aircraft, at an airport or on the premises of an
aeronautical facility
• introduction on board an aircraft or at an airport of a weapon or hazardous
device or material intended for criminal purposes
• communication of false information such as to jeopardise the safety of an
aircraft in flight or on the ground, of passengers, crew, ground personnel or
the general public, at an airport or on the premises of a civil aviation facility.
These are acts or attempted acts such as to jeopardise the safety of civil aviation
and air transport, i.e.
• unlawful seizure of an aircraft
• unlawful seizure of an aircraft on the ground
• hostage-taking on board aircraft or aerodromes
• forcible intrusion on board an aircraft, at an airport or on the premises of an
aeronautical facility
• introduction on board an aircraft or at an airport of a weapon or hazardous
device or material intended for criminal purposes
• communication of false information such as to jeopardise the safety of an
aircraft in flight or on the ground, of passengers, crew, ground personnel or
the general public, at an airport or on the premises of a civil aviation facility.
Sounds like an act of terrorism to me. So in being designed to mitigate risks from 'acts of unlawful interferance' they're trying to stop acts of terrorism... so that'd make it an anti terrorism tool, right?
Make any sense to anyone at all???
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Kookabat; Remember that all this bureaucratic b******t is merely to be seen as a Government seeing to be doing something about a percieved problem.
And as a Govt initiative it does'nt necessarily have to make sense! And if it can also be used to raise more revenue then all the better!!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
And as a Govt initiative it does'nt necessarily have to make sense! And if it can also be used to raise more revenue then all the better!!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
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Why would Capt Claret above even apply for this? Obviously an owner operator and venal with it. Previous posts indicate he holds an ATPL. ASIC as well I would surmise. So, a drawer full of pilot documentation already but HEY this one has my picture on it and I might get one of the first one's.
Give him a call if you need to organise a Lemming Drive.
Nine thousand odd sitting on their hands plus this dropkick!
Give him a call if you need to organise a Lemming Drive.
Nine thousand odd sitting on their hands plus this dropkick!
Putting on my bush lawyer hat which I had lent to Sunfish. How can they charge retrospectively? CASA fees and charges are required to be published and then you enter in to a contract with them when you apply for the licence.
Here is a link to their website and the scale of fees...http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees.htm
How can they charge retrospectively? CASA fees and charges are required to be published and then you enter in to a contract with them when you apply for the licence. Here is a link to their website and the scale of fees...http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees.htm
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Spotlight old chap, were you to know of the actual quals and experience level of our friend Claret, you would be moved to apologise grovelwise, if indeed you didn't expire from terminal embarrassment prior.
"Dropkick" is a good description of some, but it does not apply to Claret, I suppose you have a mirror at home.
"Dropkick" is a good description of some, but it does not apply to Claret, I suppose you have a mirror at home.