Skydiving resumes at Barwon Heads?
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Skydiving resumes at Barwon Heads?
Rumours abound that skydiving resumed at Barwon Heads today after a court ruling in favour of the operator previously crispyfried on this site.
Does anyone have verifiable details of the ruling?
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Does anyone have verifiable details of the ruling?
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http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readar...rticleid=14140
Skydive City owner back in business
Thursday, December 23
NICOLE MAYNE
SKYDIVE City owner Luke McWilliam is free to drop parachutists again after bans on his operation were lifted yesterday.
The Federal Court upheld Mr McWilliam's appeal against a Civil Aviation Safety Authority decision banning parachute drops within two nautical miles of Barwon Heads Airport.
Judge Bradley Selway found the restrictions were invalid because Mr McWilliam was not given a fair hearing.
He quashed them, effective immediately, but referred the matter back to the aviation regulator who can consider further bans.
Mr McWilliam's lawyer, John Maitland, said his client was happy he could finally resume his parachuting business.
He said the decision showed CASA did not have the power to slap on bans in the way it did.
``Basically, it has been a stoush which ended up with Luke coming out with the judge siding with his argument,'' Mr Maitland said.
``CASA do have to follow due process.''
CASA introduced the ban on parachuting within two miles of Barwon Heads Airport in February on safety grounds.
It followed civil aviation breaches, including parachutists descending through cloud and near other aircraft. CASA claimed in the Federal Court it was unnecessary to provide a fair hearing because of the urgency.
But Judge Selway said it was obliged to give Mr McWilliam a right of reply.
CASA corporate communications manager Peter Gibson said it was yet to decide whether to enforce more bans. ``The option is open to us and we will have to make an assessment of current operations,'' he said.
Skydive City owner back in business
Thursday, December 23
NICOLE MAYNE
SKYDIVE City owner Luke McWilliam is free to drop parachutists again after bans on his operation were lifted yesterday.
The Federal Court upheld Mr McWilliam's appeal against a Civil Aviation Safety Authority decision banning parachute drops within two nautical miles of Barwon Heads Airport.
Judge Bradley Selway found the restrictions were invalid because Mr McWilliam was not given a fair hearing.
He quashed them, effective immediately, but referred the matter back to the aviation regulator who can consider further bans.
Mr McWilliam's lawyer, John Maitland, said his client was happy he could finally resume his parachuting business.
He said the decision showed CASA did not have the power to slap on bans in the way it did.
``Basically, it has been a stoush which ended up with Luke coming out with the judge siding with his argument,'' Mr Maitland said.
``CASA do have to follow due process.''
CASA introduced the ban on parachuting within two miles of Barwon Heads Airport in February on safety grounds.
It followed civil aviation breaches, including parachutists descending through cloud and near other aircraft. CASA claimed in the Federal Court it was unnecessary to provide a fair hearing because of the urgency.
But Judge Selway said it was obliged to give Mr McWilliam a right of reply.
CASA corporate communications manager Peter Gibson said it was yet to decide whether to enforce more bans. ``The option is open to us and we will have to make an assessment of current operations,'' he said.
Thinking of flying to Barwon Heads to see a mate in the area. Does this mean that one should stay away from this particular airfield? Exectly what breaches have occured apart from dropping through cloud?
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Sorry forgot the HO HO HO HO bit
Gday
Santa comes but once a year and he was a day early to Luke McWilliam, Skydive City and Greg Bayley in the form of a Show Cause Notice from CASA expiring on the 6th January 2005. This notice ALLEDGES hundreds of breaches of regs including jumping through cloud, dropping when conflicting traffic in the drop zone, and even signing off a jumper’s log book for payment when the jumper had not completed his training.
In hindsight I think some previous posters may have been a little premature.
So you all have a safe and a happy Christmas as we are having.
Cheers Q
Gday
Santa comes but once a year and he was a day early to Luke McWilliam, Skydive City and Greg Bayley in the form of a Show Cause Notice from CASA expiring on the 6th January 2005. This notice ALLEDGES hundreds of breaches of regs including jumping through cloud, dropping when conflicting traffic in the drop zone, and even signing off a jumper’s log book for payment when the jumper had not completed his training.
In hindsight I think some previous posters may have been a little premature.
So you all have a safe and a happy Christmas as we are having.
Cheers Q
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Gday
Just thinking about Show Cause Notices, the rabbits across the road who banged 2 tigermoths together some months ago have got one which must due to expire any day now,it's about time CASA got serious with that lot.
Cheers Q
Just thinking about Show Cause Notices, the rabbits across the road who banged 2 tigermoths together some months ago have got one which must due to expire any day now,it's about time CASA got serious with that lot.
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Hi “Q”
What sort of an idiot is this operator, the noose is around his neck and still he defies the regs.
Dropping into a drop zone without a council permit (the council are on the move to remedy that)
Drops when there is conflicting traffic (Incident reports on their way, more ammo for CASA)
Speaking of idiots how stupid is the chief instructor, the operator is hanging him out to dry
and man he is way too old to get another job. (Can’t understand how he would let his maitland him in so much ****)
Hi GW-04 & morning mongrel
Don’t worry we haven’t disappeared, just having a relax as it all happens, seems the authorities have crossed all the “T’s” and dotted all the “I’s" this time so roll on the 6th
Got a smile on my dial
and that’s something I can’t say about the DIRT DARTS
HO HO HO thank you Santa or should I say CASA
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What sort of an idiot is this operator, the noose is around his neck and still he defies the regs.
Dropping into a drop zone without a council permit (the council are on the move to remedy that)
Drops when there is conflicting traffic (Incident reports on their way, more ammo for CASA)
Speaking of idiots how stupid is the chief instructor, the operator is hanging him out to dry
and man he is way too old to get another job. (Can’t understand how he would let his maitland him in so much ****) Hi GW-04 & morning mongrel
Don’t worry we haven’t disappeared, just having a relax as it all happens, seems the authorities have crossed all the “T’s” and dotted all the “I’s" this time so roll on the 6th
Got a smile on my dial
and that’s something I can’t say about the DIRT DARTS HO HO HO thank you Santa or should I say CASA
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Gday Pol
Seems all the meatbomb supporters have gone very quiet maybe they now understand the gravity (excuse the pun) of the situation these fools have put themselves into. I seem to remember the show cause document stated something about removing these people from meatbombing in Australia.
I think the APF wouldn't be too unhappy about that.
We wait for further developments.
Cheers Q
Seems all the meatbomb supporters have gone very quiet maybe they now understand the gravity (excuse the pun) of the situation these fools have put themselves into. I seem to remember the show cause document stated something about removing these people from meatbombing in Australia.
I think the APF wouldn't be too unhappy about that.
We wait for further developments.
Cheers Q
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Is life that boring down at BH these days that you have to continue to beat up on people over Pprune behind your username. No I am not a skydiver, doesnt interest me one bit, but do you think that enough is enough and this issue has been done to death. I tend to agree with you that Luke is his own worst enemy but when will this end. As for Randy what happened with the Tigers colliding on Anzac Day this year...?
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Is life that boring down at BH these days that you have to continue to beat up on people over Pprune behind your username. No I am not a skydiver, doesnt interest me one bit, but do you think that enough is enough and this issue has been done to death. I tend to agree with you that Luke is his own worst enemy but when will this end. As for Randy what happened with the Tigers colliding on Anzac Day this year...?
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Nice Gear.
I sure as hell like statements from guy's like YOU "Are you hiding behind anomity" just looked at your profile and it is like the rest of us "GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE" before you fall off.
Since when is safety done to DEATH as you put it, they are a bit afraid this is exactly the problem if this clown keeps up the type of operation at this site, eg. cloud dropping no respect for any laws about his operations or the CASA rules that I hope YOU follow? (Have no first hand info but for the posts over the year )
You seem to know the people involved and of the other operator with the Tigers so it sounds as if you are in that area so why do you hide from others do you have something to hide as well? sure wish I could visit that spot one day it sounds interesting.
I sure as hell like statements from guy's like YOU "Are you hiding behind anomity" just looked at your profile and it is like the rest of us "GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE" before you fall off.
Since when is safety done to DEATH as you put it, they are a bit afraid this is exactly the problem if this clown keeps up the type of operation at this site, eg. cloud dropping no respect for any laws about his operations or the CASA rules that I hope YOU follow? (Have no first hand info but for the posts over the year )
You seem to know the people involved and of the other operator with the Tigers so it sounds as if you are in that area so why do you hide from others do you have something to hide as well? sure wish I could visit that spot one day it sounds interesting.
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I totally agree with you. Luke is his own worst enemy and I am dumb founded that a someone his lack of intellect is allowed a licence to operate. What I am getting at is that this issue has been going on for years over pprune. Its time for the people of BH to get together and have him outlawed the LEGAL way. Whats to say that Luke (from the wealthy McWillams family) didnt get his family to pay his way out of this one...
Whats Barb and the team think of the latest inclusion to the airport. It seems a bit suspect that he has returned in time for the peak jumping season over the Christmas New Year break..
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I totally agree with you. Luke is his own worst enemy and I am dumb founded that a someone his lack of intellect is allowed a licence to operate. What I am getting at is that this issue has been going on for years over pprune. Its time for the people of BH to get together and have him outlawed the LEGAL way. Whats to say that Luke (from the wealthy McWillams family) didnt get his family to pay his way out of this one...
Whats Barb and the team think of the latest inclusion to the airport. It seems a bit suspect that he has returned in time for the peak jumping season over the Christmas New Year break..
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I bet the people involved have read your last post and could answer the comment on getting together and "Doing Something about the situation" I have no idea on that score but I would say that if you know them so well (as your posts suggest) it would be ideal if you had some input to them on a personal level about the way to go. His parents are THAT Mc Williams mmm that suggests to me that his attitude may be I can do/have anything I like so p*ss off.
I notice that the usual underdog wanke** are at his side to support him but that always happens if you have an interest in skydiving, Is it a club? the posts over the last year or so seems to indicate a business and it seems it must be a good spot for it.
Well I suppose CASA will sort it out but they too have made blunders over the years but I will keep on looking here.
I bet the people involved have read your last post and could answer the comment on getting together and "Doing Something about the situation" I have no idea on that score but I would say that if you know them so well (as your posts suggest) it would be ideal if you had some input to them on a personal level about the way to go. His parents are THAT Mc Williams mmm that suggests to me that his attitude may be I can do/have anything I like so p*ss off.
I notice that the usual underdog wanke** are at his side to support him but that always happens if you have an interest in skydiving, Is it a club? the posts over the last year or so seems to indicate a business and it seems it must be a good spot for it.
Well I suppose CASA will sort it out but they too have made blunders over the years but I will keep on looking here.
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"What does Barb and the team think?"
Barb and the team were warned about him and his track record before he came to the airport. Plenty of people knew what he was about, most through bitter experience. It appears that they thought they knew better. Or was the money just too good?
They say "Forewarned is Forearmed". I guess that's true, but only if you actually take some notice.
Barb and the team were warned about him and his track record before he came to the airport. Plenty of people knew what he was about, most through bitter experience. It appears that they thought they knew better. Or was the money just too good?
They say "Forewarned is Forearmed". I guess that's true, but only if you actually take some notice.
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Been following this farscical situation for the past couple of years.
It appears this situation would not have gone on for so long if the authorities who control parachuting, namely the Australian Parachuting Federation, had acted in a responsible manner and taken action to make sure this operator kept to the rules and regulations.
No action on this cash cow has allowed it to blow out of control.
CASA have issued show cause notices recently to McWilliam, Bayley and Skydive City.
When will CASA issue a show cause to the APF who have not acted within the charter that CASA issued to allow them to control parachuting.
The APF sit back and watch. It will be interesting to find out in a couple of weeks if they support the action of CASA in banning parachuting within 3 miles of the BH airport, and the banning of McWilliam, Bayley and Skydive City from parachuting in Australia.
Surely parachuting will never be the same again because of the actions of McWilliam and Co. and the non action by the APF, but the APF cannot blame anyone but themselves.
The current officers of the APF should pack up and get out, as they have shown they are not able to administer parachuting within the charter they have been given by CASA.
I continue to watch with interest.
It appears this situation would not have gone on for so long if the authorities who control parachuting, namely the Australian Parachuting Federation, had acted in a responsible manner and taken action to make sure this operator kept to the rules and regulations.
No action on this cash cow has allowed it to blow out of control.
CASA have issued show cause notices recently to McWilliam, Bayley and Skydive City.
When will CASA issue a show cause to the APF who have not acted within the charter that CASA issued to allow them to control parachuting.
The APF sit back and watch. It will be interesting to find out in a couple of weeks if they support the action of CASA in banning parachuting within 3 miles of the BH airport, and the banning of McWilliam, Bayley and Skydive City from parachuting in Australia.
Surely parachuting will never be the same again because of the actions of McWilliam and Co. and the non action by the APF, but the APF cannot blame anyone but themselves.
The current officers of the APF should pack up and get out, as they have shown they are not able to administer parachuting within the charter they have been given by CASA.
I continue to watch with interest.
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Gday John W
Well said, I have been told that the APF are supporting Skydive City and co, it really does make one wonder about the mental compacity of the persons in charge of that organisation or is it the fact that they can't operate without that income from the admitted illegal operation. Have a happy new year.
Cheers Q
Well said, I have been told that the APF are supporting Skydive City and co, it really does make one wonder about the mental compacity of the persons in charge of that organisation or is it the fact that they can't operate without that income from the admitted illegal operation. Have a happy new year.
Cheers Q
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You should not be surprised by the APF support for him Qnim the dollars come to easy, it must be a good revenue for them that is if he is telling them the truth about how many go through per day. (Just a little bit of a guess as he does not heed regulations or tell the truth so why should they be any different)
You should not be surprised by the APF support for him Qnim the dollars come to easy, it must be a good revenue for them that is if he is telling them the truth about how many go through per day. (Just a little bit of a guess as he does not heed regulations or tell the truth so why should they be any different)