The Ultimate Twin - What do u think?!?!
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The Ultimate Twin - What do u think?!?!
Gidday,
Just a quick question, for a hyperthetical case, what is the ultimate twin with the following specs...
IFR P135 Ops approved
Relativly simple to operate
Not too expensive to run or buy
Resonably Large Aft Cabin area (Say 6 pax)
Single Pilot
Sexy Looking (Very Important)!!!
Cheers!!
Just a quick question, for a hyperthetical case, what is the ultimate twin with the following specs...
IFR P135 Ops approved
Relativly simple to operate
Not too expensive to run or buy
Resonably Large Aft Cabin area (Say 6 pax)
Single Pilot
Sexy Looking (Very Important)!!!
Cheers!!
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Citationjet.
Eclipse 500
Horizon ?
Premier
Adam thingy
etc etc.
or any of the ultralight jet/turboprop twins currently in development
I'm serious all others need not apply.
Eclipse 500
Horizon ?
Premier
Adam thingy
etc etc.
or any of the ultralight jet/turboprop twins currently in development
I'm serious all others need not apply.
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This is part of what Ted Smith originally had in mind 'all those years ago'.....
http://www.aerostarjet.com/
http://www.aerostarjet.com/
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I see that gaunty is still on about Cessnas.
Poor fellow... not his fault really... he just can't help himself and doesn't know any better...
Hey mate... Beechcraft roooooles!
Poor fellow... not his fault really... he just can't help himself and doesn't know any better...
Hey mate... Beechcraft roooooles!
OxExpat. You are ignoring your local statistics? In this one I'd agree with Gaunty.
The only Beech singles I recall operating commercially in PNG were two (?) Bonanzas operated by M acair ex Lae. Conversely, numerous, numerous Cessna 170, 180, 185, 190, 205, 210-5, 206, 207 operated very successfully in PNG over the past 48 years.
Granted, the Beech 55 Baron operated in PNG in some numbers, however in my humble opinion, it was vastly superior to the Cessna 310 for bush operations. I don't think the Beech 58 Baron every operated in PNG in any numbers.
Cessna dominated the Reg 211 operations - mostly 402s of various models. Not many Beech Queenairs operated in PNG - thank goodness.....
hsvrox, my suggestion? The Cessna 500/501 with Eagle conversion. Now at the right price, pair of reliable Pratt JT15D-1's, 350 kts cruise, good short field performance, sexy appearance and some great executive interiors available.
There's an Eagle mod Citation 500 currently listed for sale in the States - you'll have to Google it:
"TAN LEATHER AND BEIGE CARPET. 7 PASSENGER, CLUB CONFIGURATION W/5 SEATS, LH FWD DELUXE REFRESHMENT CENTER W/HEATED MAPCO, LH/RH EXECUTIVE TABLES, AFT PORTABLE SEATS, AFT FOLDING DOOR, AFT LAV W/PARTITION, REAR JUMPSEAT."
7,000 hours TTAF, good avionics suite and good engine times remaining. Looks like they start around US$1 mill with good engine hours.
The only Beech singles I recall operating commercially in PNG were two (?) Bonanzas operated by M acair ex Lae. Conversely, numerous, numerous Cessna 170, 180, 185, 190, 205, 210-5, 206, 207 operated very successfully in PNG over the past 48 years.
Granted, the Beech 55 Baron operated in PNG in some numbers, however in my humble opinion, it was vastly superior to the Cessna 310 for bush operations. I don't think the Beech 58 Baron every operated in PNG in any numbers.
Cessna dominated the Reg 211 operations - mostly 402s of various models. Not many Beech Queenairs operated in PNG - thank goodness.....
hsvrox, my suggestion? The Cessna 500/501 with Eagle conversion. Now at the right price, pair of reliable Pratt JT15D-1's, 350 kts cruise, good short field performance, sexy appearance and some great executive interiors available.
There's an Eagle mod Citation 500 currently listed for sale in the States - you'll have to Google it:
"TAN LEATHER AND BEIGE CARPET. 7 PASSENGER, CLUB CONFIGURATION W/5 SEATS, LH FWD DELUXE REFRESHMENT CENTER W/HEATED MAPCO, LH/RH EXECUTIVE TABLES, AFT PORTABLE SEATS, AFT FOLDING DOOR, AFT LAV W/PARTITION, REAR JUMPSEAT."
7,000 hours TTAF, good avionics suite and good engine times remaining. Looks like they start around US$1 mill with good engine hours.
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Yeah but when they start delivering the Eclipse in about 18 months time, you'll pay less than $US1 million and you'll be getting a brand spanking, zero hours, 380 kt cruise, FL430, full EFIS, half-the-DOC-of-a-Beech-Baron, 21st century twin turbofan rocketship.
Stand by for the microjet revolution in the second half of this decade, and watch the residual values of all these battered old citation 1's and 500's and Aerostars go into total freefall. They won't be able to give the bloody things away.
Stand by for the microjet revolution in the second half of this decade, and watch the residual values of all these battered old citation 1's and 500's and Aerostars go into total freefall. They won't be able to give the bloody things away.
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380 kt cruise, FL430
The ultimate twin?
THE A-10 WARTHOG!!
Cheers, HH.
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Unfortunately some of us like our friend OzExpat just weren't brought up proper.
A piece of history.
You might have forgotten about it but the reason that Queen Airs and Barons got such a head start in OZ over the Cessnas was by the efforts of another esteemed person and a real gentelman in the person of Finus Wandell.
I'd be amazed if you hadn't met him.
He turned up here waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back as the US Beech Sales Manager to find out who and where was this new Baron going to in OZ.
Then, in US business we were in terms on that part of the map shown as "here there be monsters" so to speak.
Local twins then included Rapides, Ansons, Mile Gemini, Meta Sokol, Doves and sundry Cessna 310A.
Sees obvious calls home tells wife to pack up and moves here.
The rest is history. Last time I saw him was many years ago in the galley of a B727 enroute PER/SYD where we shared a coffee and notes.
I don't know how and where he is today but I hope he is kicking back and really enjoying life. One of the true legends in that business.
Them were the days
Bevan666
Exactly right because that is where the original certification was sold in the break up of Aerop Commander and has now morphed into the Astra family.
Unfortunately some of us like our friend OzExpat just weren't brought up proper.
A piece of history.
You might have forgotten about it but the reason that Queen Airs and Barons got such a head start in OZ over the Cessnas was by the efforts of another esteemed person and a real gentelman in the person of Finus Wandell.
I'd be amazed if you hadn't met him.
He turned up here waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back as the US Beech Sales Manager to find out who and where was this new Baron going to in OZ.
Then, in US business we were in terms on that part of the map shown as "here there be monsters" so to speak.
Local twins then included Rapides, Ansons, Mile Gemini, Meta Sokol, Doves and sundry Cessna 310A.
Sees obvious calls home tells wife to pack up and moves here.
The rest is history. Last time I saw him was many years ago in the galley of a B727 enroute PER/SYD where we shared a coffee and notes.
I don't know how and where he is today but I hope he is kicking back and really enjoying life. One of the true legends in that business.
Them were the days
Bevan666
Exactly right because that is where the original certification was sold in the break up of Aerop Commander and has now morphed into the Astra family.
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Yeah gaunty, I had a rough initial upbringing coz my intro to Beechcraft was something called a Musketeer! 
Not the best introduction I've ever had but matters vastly improved, all the way from the A36 to the B200.
And, when all said an done, would a Cessna (was almost going to say "comparable Cessna" but there's no such thing! ) have glided as well as the B200?
Not the best introduction I've ever had but matters vastly improved, all the way from the A36 to the B200.And, when all said an done, would a Cessna (was almost going to say "comparable Cessna" but there's no such thing!
) have glided as well as the B200?
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The C441 would have to be one,but my pick would be dash 10 pwered AC 690.I have not flown either but both the little brothers and the 690s rock apparently.
They hold down jets they climb so well, and block over 300.
Sounds good,any advances.
RWS888
They hold down jets they climb so well, and block over 300.
Sounds good,any advances.
RWS888
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rearwhelsteer888,
You've got me thinking, the G-1000 really is a nice bit of kit!!
Cheers, HH.
You've got me thinking, the G-1000 really is a nice bit of kit!!
Cheers, HH.
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Dornier 328 jet
Hi HH,
Ahhhh... how can I forget the nice 328 jet ?............. lovely aircraft
Not sure though if its a good choice for the Sydney to Lord Howe Island hop......... or maybe
have a good one guys...........
DeltaSix
Ahhhh... how can I forget the nice 328 jet ?............. lovely aircraft
Not sure though if its a good choice for the Sydney to Lord Howe Island hop......... or maybe
have a good one guys...........
DeltaSix
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Can't wait to see the accident stats on these 'cheap' new light jets...when Dr so and so etc start whizzing around at .80/FL430.
There are good reasons why airline pilots do lots of recurrent...didn't they used to call various BE58s and E90s/B200 Dr killers?
There are good reasons why airline pilots do lots of recurrent...didn't they used to call various BE58s and E90s/B200 Dr killers?