Twin Crashed Landed at Bankstown
Twin Crashed Landed at Bankstown
The facts, nothing more, nothing less...
- BE76 from BK operator
- Fully-feathered full stop landing on 11L after several circuits on 11R
- Tower advised them to go round on short finals to which they replied "negative"
- Tower then advised them of the fact they had no wheels down
- Aircraft then diverged left of runway and gear was partly extended in the process
- Landed on grass next to parallel taxiway beside 11L
- Occupants walked away
- Airport closed for approx. 45 mins
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- BE76 from BK operator
- Fully-feathered full stop landing on 11L after several circuits on 11R
- Tower advised them to go round on short finals to which they replied "negative"
- Tower then advised them of the fact they had no wheels down
- Aircraft then diverged left of runway and gear was partly extended in the process
- Landed on grass next to parallel taxiway beside 11L
- Occupants walked away
- Airport closed for approx. 45 mins
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Correct decision under the circumstances IMHO.
Well done that man, it's a heaps better result than the usual smoking hole scenario and I hope they but the ATCO a bottle or three of fine wine.
They walked away to review prelanding checklists and do the usual rug dance with the CP I imagine
Correct decision under the circumstances IMHO.
Well done that man, it's a heaps better result than the usual smoking hole scenario and I hope they but the ATCO a bottle or three of fine wine.
They walked away to review prelanding checklists and do the usual rug dance with the CP I imagine
Was the prop feathered because of a real engine failure - or were they practicing bleeding for a "simulated" engine failure. If the latter then it is plainly not a good idea to feather a perfectly good engine for landing when zero thrust is the sensible an demonstrably the safest option. See CASA recommendations Flight Safety Australia July - August 2004, page 37.
Quote: "CASA does not recommend propeller feathering or fuel starvation by mixture cut or fuel valve closure in asymmetric flight training operations at low level" We can now see why...
Quote: "CASA does not recommend propeller feathering or fuel starvation by mixture cut or fuel valve closure in asymmetric flight training operations at low level" We can now see why...
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You are as usual correct, that is of course what should have happened and the "go round" from the tower could been safely performed without loss of face and/or damage to the aircraft.
I seem to remember a popular folk song from my yoof, it might even have been "Peter Paul and Mary".
"When will they ever learn"
You are as usual correct, that is of course what should have happened and the "go round" from the tower could been safely performed without loss of face and/or damage to the aircraft.
I seem to remember a popular folk song from my yoof, it might even have been "Peter Paul and Mary".
"When will they ever learn"
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Gaunty, I respect Centaurus opinion but , whose job is it to ensure that the aircraft is in the correct landing configuration, asymetric or not?
PIC comes to mind
The old "to Fx or not to Fx" and "to fail by Mixture cutoff or not" has been thrashed out a thousand times before, I know.
However, I do believe that there are great arguments to support both,"Mixture cuts" from an engineering point of view and "Fx'd" approaches and landings from a pilot handling point of view.
Maintain appropriate flight standards and management throughout all phases and the risk is greatly diminished, to an acceptable level I believe.
Be thorough, and by god, be vigilant.
Cheers,
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Gaunty, I respect Centaurus opinion but , whose job is it to ensure that the aircraft is in the correct landing configuration, asymetric or not?
PIC comes to mind
The old "to Fx or not to Fx" and "to fail by Mixture cutoff or not" has been thrashed out a thousand times before, I know.
However, I do believe that there are great arguments to support both,"Mixture cuts" from an engineering point of view and "Fx'd" approaches and landings from a pilot handling point of view.
Maintain appropriate flight standards and management throughout all phases and the risk is greatly diminished, to an acceptable level I believe.
Be thorough, and by god, be vigilant.
Cheers,
I'm gone!
I'm afraid the bit that gets me is "Gear Partialy extended".
If they were below S/E commit height with the gear up, thay really had no choice but to swallow pride and guts-land the aeroplane. Trying to get the gear down at that stage, and landing on a partially extended undercarridge was potentially leathal.
Still, it would have been an AWFUL realisation. Hope the operator takes the "Leasons learnt-let's move on" approach...
If they were below S/E commit height with the gear up, thay really had no choice but to swallow pride and guts-land the aeroplane. Trying to get the gear down at that stage, and landing on a partially extended undercarridge was potentially leathal.
Still, it would have been an AWFUL realisation. Hope the operator takes the "Leasons learnt-let's move on" approach...
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from my past life instructing in twins assymetric commital height assumes gear down, if it wasnt the B76 would/should have no problems climbing out especially at training type weights.
But as has been said many times we are all here by the grace of god, glad no one was hurt, have had an accident myself and know what the guys going through.
Also been on finals behind a twin commanche at ardmore when it landed wheels up, i thought it was a pretty short landing for a twin....
But as has been said many times we are all here by the grace of god, glad no one was hurt, have had an accident myself and know what the guys going through.
Also been on finals behind a twin commanche at ardmore when it landed wheels up, i thought it was a pretty short landing for a twin....
I'm Gone. When you lose more lives and aircraft "training" than for the actual event, it's time to evaluate your priorities. GA has a poor record of training accidents. The RAAF learned the aymmetric lesson the hard way back in 1954 when they pranged more multi engined aircraft while training than ever happened for real. They banned all practice feathered landings and guess what? No more asymmetric accidents.
And forget the engine handling advantages that you allude to in mixture cuts. Conventional thinking is that by cutting the mixture you cushion the cylinders because the throttle is wide open. That maybe so - but a second or so later the pilot closes the throttle to identify and that puts paid to the cushioning effect, doesn't it?
And forget the engine handling advantages that you allude to in mixture cuts. Conventional thinking is that by cutting the mixture you cushion the cylinders because the throttle is wide open. That maybe so - but a second or so later the pilot closes the throttle to identify and that puts paid to the cushioning effect, doesn't it?
Ftrplt. Point taken. I should have clarified my post by saying RAAF crashes in accidents involving feathering of props during take off and landing training. The RAAF Department of Air banned these after three Lincoln training accidents involving practice feathered props. I saw the result of one of these and it was messy.
Unfortunate.. I'm glad they all walked away though... good decision by the PIC.... They kept level heads in a bad situation.
As for Australia having a poor training record I have to beg to differ. Flight training accident accont for less then 1/10 GA fatalities and accidents in Australia.... though in saying this I dont have the figure to compare training vs PVT/ Commercial ops/RPT flying hours.
As for Australia having a poor training record I have to beg to differ. Flight training accident accont for less then 1/10 GA fatalities and accidents in Australia.... though in saying this I dont have the figure to compare training vs PVT/ Commercial ops/RPT flying hours.
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Love it. Duchess does a gutser with prop feathered because pilot (s) seemingly forgot to drop the dunlops. The crowd cheered and shouted "Well done, that man". What next? Pilot gets a gong in some future Honours List for excellence in airmanship, maybe?