Twin Crashed Landed at Bankstown
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Uncalled for
...the other 1 has a great pair which I'm looking forward 2 seeing again
Again, if iI have misinterpreted what you have said I aplogise.
ladie...och n i thought he be talkin about a wee lassie!
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Has there been any explanation as to the reasons behind this accident?.............Been hearing a few rumours however it'd be interesting to hear from someone on the know?
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So let me get this straight............PIC.............instructor............se cond flight (fully feathered?...second lesson for student?!!)...........fully feathered approach.....(where's the need?!!)....student hurt.......instructor alledged to have hopped out of aircraft pretty damned quickly and gotten away from aircraft before turning to see if student has gotten out..........student forgotten about by all concerned.......instructor in Qantas a short time later..............I'd LOVE to see the accident report!!
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SWH,Your're right......
however at the bottom of the page in the CAAPs (5.23-1 (0), the following note applies,
Note: the case of the aircraft meeting the performance requirements of CAO 20.7.1b, or if this sequence is conducted in an approved simulator, the aircraft should be loaded to approximately 90% MAUW. If loading the aircraft is not practicable, then the use of a properly developed TRAINING POWER setting that APPROXIMATES the performance of the aircraft at MAUW may be utilised.
WARNING: Where a training power setting is used, the PIC should not hesitate to resume full power immediately SHOULD AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY OCCUR DURING TRAINING.
This comes from around flight number 6.....not 2.
Seems a little rushed don't you think, in addition to landing wheels half up?
The wisdom of performing fully shutdown assymetric circuits really has to be questioned........
In any case, I'd hope the operator has compensated the student for the flights, doctors fees etc. That'd be the RIGHT and DECENT thing to do now wouldn't it?
however at the bottom of the page in the CAAPs (5.23-1 (0), the following note applies,
Note: the case of the aircraft meeting the performance requirements of CAO 20.7.1b, or if this sequence is conducted in an approved simulator, the aircraft should be loaded to approximately 90% MAUW. If loading the aircraft is not practicable, then the use of a properly developed TRAINING POWER setting that APPROXIMATES the performance of the aircraft at MAUW may be utilised.
WARNING: Where a training power setting is used, the PIC should not hesitate to resume full power immediately SHOULD AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY OCCUR DURING TRAINING.
This comes from around flight number 6.....not 2.
Seems a little rushed don't you think, in addition to landing wheels half up?
The wisdom of performing fully shutdown assymetric circuits really has to be questioned........
In any case, I'd hope the operator has compensated the student for the flights, doctors fees etc. That'd be the RIGHT and DECENT thing to do now wouldn't it?
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A long and happy m/e instruct career did I have, but then again I didn't stumble upon my training approval in the cereal box. It's too easy for these young hopefulls eager to get a book full of m/e time to get the approval. Inexperience in asymmetric ops has killed time and time again. Oh well, her next employer is in line for something special. Flight to BKK anyone?
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What are the rules for doing your initial twin endorsement in an a/c without unfeathering accumulators?
Can't demo the fully feathered approach too easily in one of those.
Can't demo the fully feathered approach too easily in one of those.
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VRB03, Its been a while but from memory I don't think CASA specified any difference for sans accumulators. Company policy though would I think usually indicate only restart on the ground without them as in flight it shakes the sh%% out the ac and can crack the mounts. Most B76 used intraining would have accumulators.
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I always thought on an eng inop approach once you were assured of a landing then you lowered the gear at which point you were commited and only then.
This always gave the option of a go-around if needed.
A light Duchess on one engine is certainly capable of a safe missed approach. Granted some hard and fast rules will save the lives of some inexperienced, but I know more than one old instructor who would have gone around and then used the whole episode as a training tool about why we wait with the gear until last etc etc.
People usually crash when they find themselves in a situation they have never seen before.
Just my opinion.
This always gave the option of a go-around if needed.
A light Duchess on one engine is certainly capable of a safe missed approach. Granted some hard and fast rules will save the lives of some inexperienced, but I know more than one old instructor who would have gone around and then used the whole episode as a training tool about why we wait with the gear until last etc etc.
People usually crash when they find themselves in a situation they have never seen before.
Just my opinion.
