New AIP and binders
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New AIP and binders
What do you think - I really like the new AIP and the new binders, quite professional looking. After all these years I'm not sad to see the end of a pink covered, odd shaped ERSA.
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The original RAAF ERS was shaped that way to fit into the leg pocket of speed-jeans or a zoom-bag.
You civvy pud-knockers like things to have a bound cover to fit better in your doctors' bags so now you've got it. enjoy........
At least you spelt "professional" correctly. You have risen to the top 2% of civvy pilots, IQ-wise.
You civvy pud-knockers like things to have a bound cover to fit better in your doctors' bags so now you've got it. enjoy........
At least you spelt "professional" correctly. You have risen to the top 2% of civvy pilots, IQ-wise.
So, once upon a time we had the VFG for visual pilots and the AIP for IFR & Commercial operations.
The VFG was deleted and was much missed particularly by Private Pilots. Then we had the AIP as two volumes...to make it easier. Then there was a complete re-numbering/chapter naming to ....make things easier.
Then CASA decided to produce a VPG which is great but dates quickly and is not an operational document. The Private Pilots love them.
Now we are going back to a single volume AIP...to make it easier. Looks like they want to be more like Jeppesen!
Then of course there was the old En-route Supplement. Say that phrase to many pilots and they look quizzical and say, do you mean ERSA!
The VFG was deleted and was much missed particularly by Private Pilots. Then we had the AIP as two volumes...to make it easier. Then there was a complete re-numbering/chapter naming to ....make things easier.
Then CASA decided to produce a VPG which is great but dates quickly and is not an operational document. The Private Pilots love them.
Now we are going back to a single volume AIP...to make it easier. Looks like they want to be more like Jeppesen!
Then of course there was the old En-route Supplement. Say that phrase to many pilots and they look quizzical and say, do you mean ERSA!
Cornholio is right: the original ERSA was a UK product, and sized to fit the leg pocket of baggy green skins. Re the size/shape change, since there are a lot of us still wearing flying suits in the civvie world, and an awful lot still in the Mil, it's going to be a PITA stowing the darn thing 
Slightly OT, the aussie map fold was designed around the same criteria, fitting the leg pocket of a flying suit, plus being able to unfold one handed in a busy cockpit. But then you all knew that, didn't you
Slightly OT, the aussie map fold was designed around the same criteria, fitting the leg pocket of a flying suit, plus being able to unfold one handed in a busy cockpit. But then you all knew that, didn't you
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Make no mistake this change was about money not "customer satisfaction"!
In about 1998 ASA carried out a survey of users regarding various services. In regards to ERSA the response was almost entirely positive in terms of it's size and ease of use (90%ish I recall). In light of that ASA, despite the extra cost (there is a large waste of paper due to the unusual size), stuck with the "well liked" existing format.
Now with a bean counter installed managing the publications area we see ASA abandoning the old format. Interesting that in doing so they did not take the opportunity to make some of the actual changes requested in the survey including Tabs, an effective index and a more appropriate sectioning of information.
Try asking for a reduction in your subscription now that it is cheaper to produce!!
In about 1998 ASA carried out a survey of users regarding various services. In regards to ERSA the response was almost entirely positive in terms of it's size and ease of use (90%ish I recall). In light of that ASA, despite the extra cost (there is a large waste of paper due to the unusual size), stuck with the "well liked" existing format.
Now with a bean counter installed managing the publications area we see ASA abandoning the old format. Interesting that in doing so they did not take the opportunity to make some of the actual changes requested in the survey including Tabs, an effective index and a more appropriate sectioning of information.
Try asking for a reduction in your subscription now that it is cheaper to produce!!
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In fairness, I cull half the present AIP into "need to know" and carry DAP/East below 22S. This still gives a heavy flight bag.
As a test, I put the three 'new' books, complete, into the bag and my subjective analysis is that it's lighter. That can't be a bad thing?
However, sifting through the DAP, it seems that the charts are continuous page-by-page. Not so sure that's a good idea, although it will save a lot of paper.
Good luck all!
G'day
As a test, I put the three 'new' books, complete, into the bag and my subjective analysis is that it's lighter. That can't be a bad thing?
However, sifting through the DAP, it seems that the charts are continuous page-by-page. Not so sure that's a good idea, although it will save a lot of paper.
Good luck all!
G'day
My biggest concern about the old AIP was the ever-increasing bulk as amendments were added and the superseded pages culled. Mine got to the point where I was seriously considering trying to find a similar binder to split it into two more manageable parts.
Then the new documents arrived. Now I wonder how long it will be before they too begin to exceed the design capability of the binder system?
Then the new documents arrived. Now I wonder how long it will be before they too begin to exceed the design capability of the binder system?
I don't know about everyone else but I DO find that my new DAP East is already too full.
Oh well, I guess it's their way of getting us to shell out extra for the thicker leather binders coming soon.
Oh well, I guess it's their way of getting us to shell out extra for the thicker leather binders coming soon.
I like the way the advertising blurb talks about how the paper was chewed by free range mountain sheep, lovingly washed under a full moon in clear spring water and then pressed between bricks made from the purest organic mud! Something like that anyway...
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Anybody else get a Runway Distance Supplement with the wrong hole punching(5 instead of the 7 and at differnet spacings)? Or is there a reason that it's been made different from everything else?
you've got issues
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Sometimes the old ways were best...
I received my new AIP Book today. The only comment I have is that I just spent three freaking hours doing my last amendments when the new book turns up...already amended! "Bother", I said. I then noticed the 3 micron rice paper they are printed on.
As for DAP East and West, I wisely kept my plastic curtain rings and covers from the time before DAP binders. So I have five booklets for both coasts but at least they are manageable at the top of the ILS in a small cockpit on a cr@ppy night.
Can't wait to see what has happened to ERSA.
As for DAP East and West, I wisely kept my plastic curtain rings and covers from the time before DAP binders. So I have five booklets for both coasts but at least they are manageable at the top of the ILS in a small cockpit on a cr@ppy night.
Can't wait to see what has happened to ERSA.
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Have you all heard of Jepps? Took Airservices long enough to realise the format works and fits all docs (AIP ERSA DAPS) into 2 binders!! DERRR
