15 years on, have we had some interesting jobs or what????
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15 years on, have we had some interesting jobs or what????
Some 15 years ago, the cream of Australian aviators ventured forth to look for greener pastures and looking back over those years I wonder how we rate our experiences. I have had some ups and downs, but now find myself with the most wonderful partner and two of the best kids a man could ever hope for.
What are some of the other guys who wore the white hats experiences?
What are some of the other guys who wore the white hats experiences?
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Tipsy, get your knickers out of a knot. It's NOT a wind-up, so I think it YOU who must get over it.
Regarding the cream comment, well, yes, I agree! Out of all the "returnees", I can only name 12 or so who I consider to be EXCELLENT pilots, the remainder being opportunists and those that knew within themselves they couldn't 'make it' anywhere else besides where they had already 'made it'. I know 5 patently DANGEROUS pilots who are now Captains on Qantas Domestic.
As much as a lot of you 'returnee lovers' hate to admit it, what was left here were a lot of dregs - as I said, only a handful rate 'up there'.
I moved onto MUCH bigger and BETTER things, and am grateful for that! I never even CONTEMPLATED returning, even when the OK was given.
I am perpetually amused by the 'heroes' reactions to such postings, with wind up alerts, please Moderator ban this person, and similar remarks, but my all time favourite retort by the heroes is when they know they are defeated they pick on your spelling and grammar in posts, and pretend to be offended by it.
Regarding the cream comment, well, yes, I agree! Out of all the "returnees", I can only name 12 or so who I consider to be EXCELLENT pilots, the remainder being opportunists and those that knew within themselves they couldn't 'make it' anywhere else besides where they had already 'made it'. I know 5 patently DANGEROUS pilots who are now Captains on Qantas Domestic.
As much as a lot of you 'returnee lovers' hate to admit it, what was left here were a lot of dregs - as I said, only a handful rate 'up there'.
I moved onto MUCH bigger and BETTER things, and am grateful for that! I never even CONTEMPLATED returning, even when the OK was given.
I am perpetually amused by the 'heroes' reactions to such postings, with wind up alerts, please Moderator ban this person, and similar remarks, but my all time favourite retort by the heroes is when they know they are defeated they pick on your spelling and grammar in posts, and pretend to be offended by it.
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Oh dear. 
This thread started out so well too.
I wasn't involved in the events that have been alluded to because I was already in PNG, getting shot at by rebels (and, sometimes by overly excited soldiers!
) around Bougainville. I'm sure that many people have stories to tell from the last 15 years, whether or not they were involved in the said previously alluded-to events.
Probably won't get very many people posting those experiences now tho.
This thread started out so well too.I wasn't involved in the events that have been alluded to because I was already in PNG, getting shot at by rebels (and, sometimes by overly excited soldiers!
) around Bougainville. I'm sure that many people have stories to tell from the last 15 years, whether or not they were involved in the said previously alluded-to events.Probably won't get very many people posting those experiences now tho.
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Well now, let's get it back on "track"
A year in France, 2 in Belgium on F-28, 10 in SIA on L-31 and A-310.
Best operational fun I ever had.
Living O/S had its moments, mostly good, some adventures we could have done without ( 2 Aussies in a Frech rego car lost in Genoa in the dark and rain comes to mind), Missed the Kids, Dad passed on, the house was wrecked by the tennants but is still here, as are we, sorting it out.
Local Companies still think I am worth using as Simulator Instructor or Supervisory Captain, both part time.
The sky was the deepest blue today, mowed the grass, pulled some weeds, pork roast in the wood oven, beer after I wash off the garden, passed the ATPL medical this week stress test et all.
Still have a dislike for the xxxxbs to the third generation, but it doesn't fill my waking moments, their fate is of little interest really.
Flying has been good to me, hope I have and still am contributing, trainees still pass so must be close to the game even after 43 yrs. Enjoy passing over Aust as a Driver/Jumpseat/ Passenger as the tasks take me.
sui generus
A year in France, 2 in Belgium on F-28, 10 in SIA on L-31 and A-310.
Best operational fun I ever had.
Living O/S had its moments, mostly good, some adventures we could have done without ( 2 Aussies in a Frech rego car lost in Genoa in the dark and rain comes to mind), Missed the Kids, Dad passed on, the house was wrecked by the tennants but is still here, as are we, sorting it out.
Local Companies still think I am worth using as Simulator Instructor or Supervisory Captain, both part time.
The sky was the deepest blue today, mowed the grass, pulled some weeds, pork roast in the wood oven, beer after I wash off the garden, passed the ATPL medical this week stress test et all.
Still have a dislike for the xxxxbs to the third generation, but it doesn't fill my waking moments, their fate is of little interest really.
Flying has been good to me, hope I have and still am contributing, trainees still pass so must be close to the game even after 43 yrs. Enjoy passing over Aust as a Driver/Jumpseat/ Passenger as the tasks take me.
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"The Cream"....
HAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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The cream... hehe I like that. THE CREAM... of Australias Year 10 High School-educated, self-funded (anyone with money can get their "ticket"), grammatically-challenged, semi-literate (Can't even spell Nebraska), industry-wrecking airline pilot scene where just about anyone who sticks around long enough will get into the airline and eventually be promoted due to the entrenched seniority-based system. The Cream, Ladies and Gentlemen!!!!
The Cream left and went overseas due to their impeccable sense of Ethics.
Tell us more about the white hats. Did The Cream join forces with The Klan up there in BF, Alabama?
The Cream.... hahahaaaaaahahaaaaaaaaa........!!
I like it!!
HAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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The cream... hehe I like that. THE CREAM... of Australias Year 10 High School-educated, self-funded (anyone with money can get their "ticket"), grammatically-challenged, semi-literate (Can't even spell Nebraska), industry-wrecking airline pilot scene where just about anyone who sticks around long enough will get into the airline and eventually be promoted due to the entrenched seniority-based system. The Cream, Ladies and Gentlemen!!!!
The Cream left and went overseas due to their impeccable sense of Ethics.
Tell us more about the white hats. Did The Cream join forces with The Klan up there in BF, Alabama?
The Cream.... hahahaaaaaahahaaaaaaaaa........!!
I like it!!
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I do despair our loss of a wondeful system.
The ability to interline baggage, the full service pay for service system, being able to check in once for up to 4 flights.
This is of course still available on QF mainline, but as for Jetscar and DJ, not possible. It is however available in a limited way on DJ/Rex.
The culture seems to have died in the butt. Fot the fiirst time since I was a little kid growing up under the tail of a TAA DC4 Sunbird Service aeroplane infor overhaul at MEB, I can say that the airline industry is not a place I want to be.
It is sad, as I enjoyed my years there with a passion, and shed many a tear when loved aeroplanes departed and did shed bucketloads when that mother interfered Abeles glommed my beloved East West. I slunk off to the lounge away from everyone, but a very knowlegable spaniel and a 3 year old son very quickly found me and both crawled up on my knee.
It is scary to think how far the industry can descend on the domestic side before the terrain warning sounds.
Aircrew, groundies and all others involved deserve a far better deal than this.
As for being an alleged "hero or scab" - get over it. You are all professionals who reacted within the parameters that drove your lives at that time, and are all to be admired for your individual stands. It was not easy from either side, and the villians did not fly aeroplanes.
I can still remember seeing the first of the girls (Echo Whisky Bravo) land - first in after service resumed - and taking photos with a very long lens at the hold point. Photos were brilliant, but just good luck as tears obscured focus.
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Maintain the rage, but remember your mates.
The ability to interline baggage, the full service pay for service system, being able to check in once for up to 4 flights.
This is of course still available on QF mainline, but as for Jetscar and DJ, not possible. It is however available in a limited way on DJ/Rex.
The culture seems to have died in the butt. Fot the fiirst time since I was a little kid growing up under the tail of a TAA DC4 Sunbird Service aeroplane infor overhaul at MEB, I can say that the airline industry is not a place I want to be.
It is sad, as I enjoyed my years there with a passion, and shed many a tear when loved aeroplanes departed and did shed bucketloads when that mother interfered Abeles glommed my beloved East West. I slunk off to the lounge away from everyone, but a very knowlegable spaniel and a 3 year old son very quickly found me and both crawled up on my knee.
It is scary to think how far the industry can descend on the domestic side before the terrain warning sounds.
Aircrew, groundies and all others involved deserve a far better deal than this.
As for being an alleged "hero or scab" - get over it. You are all professionals who reacted within the parameters that drove your lives at that time, and are all to be admired for your individual stands. It was not easy from either side, and the villians did not fly aeroplanes.
I can still remember seeing the first of the girls (Echo Whisky Bravo) land - first in after service resumed - and taking photos with a very long lens at the hold point. Photos were brilliant, but just good luck as tears obscured focus.
EWL
Maintain the rage, but remember your mates.
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I am amazed and pleased by the lack of "bites" at my last post. Maybe there is hope for us "old timers" yet.
I certainly hope so.
The future of this industry is in the hands of the old heads, no matter from which side of the fence they might be.
Use the force well Luke.
Best all
EWL
I certainly hope so.
The future of this industry is in the hands of the old heads, no matter from which side of the fence they might be.
Use the force well Luke.
Best all
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I enjoyed 23 wonderful years in Australian aviation up to 1989. For the 15 years OUTSIDE of Australia beyond then, I have achieved far, far more satisfaction and reward in a first class airline than I could have ever dreamed of in Australia, pre or post 1989. For me, I'm sorry that it didn't happen 10 years earlier.
Frankly, I couldn't give a damn about the rights and wrongs, or the good guys and the bad guys, I just enjoy the company that I keep, and, quite frankly, am glad that the 'heros' didn't follow us and stuff up a perfectly good thing.
Frankly, I couldn't give a damn about the rights and wrongs, or the good guys and the bad guys, I just enjoy the company that I keep, and, quite frankly, am glad that the 'heros' didn't follow us and stuff up a perfectly good thing.
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Get over it, you lot!!
I bet you all voted for Gough and were upset when he got the treatment he deserved too.
I bet you all voted for Gough and were upset when he got the treatment he deserved too.
On the same hand, who will vote for Latham in the up-coming election? Latham is a Gough wannabe, and failing even at that! As to 15 years, a LOT changed. Australian aviation is NOTHING like it used to, or SHOULD be. Very sad state now.
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Gee - 15 years already. I only enjoyed 8 months in Australian airlines before leaving in disgust in 89. So, with hindsight I don't think I have anything to compare my present situation with.
What I do know, and did know even then - (young as I was) was that what Hawke/Abeles/Crean/Kelty & Murdoch + the sc*bs did was wrong for our occupation (friends & colleagues).
These last 15 years have seen me flying all sorts of Fokker n Boeing n Airbus. I have witnessed aviation on all Continents. I have managed to live in Europe and Asia. I watched the 'Tampa Affair' with shocked and embarrassed horror. I think that Gough (bless him) did what
thought was right. I think offers a better example than either Hawke or Howard. I rejoiced in the fall of the Berlin Wall (on the spot in Berlin). I observed the incipient signals of genocide in Kigali on a charter in the 90's and flew, at night, over the pitch black countryside of Bosnia wondering all the time about the wretched souls in Srebrenica and Mostar. I spoke with medical staff in Riyadh who said the casualty figures announced by the Government understated the true injuries caused by Scud missiles during the first Gulf War. I saw the gutted terminal and strafed facilities in Kuwait a couple of months later. I watched the second aircraft fly into the World Trade Tower, live on TV, while sitting in a hotel on 5th Avenue in New York. I have observed the western world turn a blind eye to the outrageous treatment of the Palestinians. And, perhaps more disturbingly, I have been saddened to watch the war on Iraq unfold like a pre-ordained farce (despite widespread opposition) and with it the spectacle of the USA diminishing the wonderful achievements of the UN and deriding the benefits of co-operation with Europe through disparaging talk and cheap insults. (An honest opponent is often your best friend.) More positively, I enjoyed the Athens Olympics and felt shame at how gleefully some Australians predicted a debacle. I have also observed a continuous reduction in the conditions of employment for pilots in Australia. I have watched as the commentators on this forum have grown increasingly rude, abusive and desperate.
It now seems to me that Australia exhibits a tendency toward nasty, churlish and aggressive attitudes. Aviation in Australia appears backward, small and unfriendly.
I'm ever so glad I left in 89.
What I do know, and did know even then - (young as I was) was that what Hawke/Abeles/Crean/Kelty & Murdoch + the sc*bs did was wrong for our occupation (friends & colleagues).
These last 15 years have seen me flying all sorts of Fokker n Boeing n Airbus. I have witnessed aviation on all Continents. I have managed to live in Europe and Asia. I watched the 'Tampa Affair' with shocked and embarrassed horror. I think that Gough (bless him) did what
thought was right. I think offers a better example than either Hawke or Howard. I rejoiced in the fall of the Berlin Wall (on the spot in Berlin). I observed the incipient signals of genocide in Kigali on a charter in the 90's and flew, at night, over the pitch black countryside of Bosnia wondering all the time about the wretched souls in Srebrenica and Mostar. I spoke with medical staff in Riyadh who said the casualty figures announced by the Government understated the true injuries caused by Scud missiles during the first Gulf War. I saw the gutted terminal and strafed facilities in Kuwait a couple of months later. I watched the second aircraft fly into the World Trade Tower, live on TV, while sitting in a hotel on 5th Avenue in New York. I have observed the western world turn a blind eye to the outrageous treatment of the Palestinians. And, perhaps more disturbingly, I have been saddened to watch the war on Iraq unfold like a pre-ordained farce (despite widespread opposition) and with it the spectacle of the USA diminishing the wonderful achievements of the UN and deriding the benefits of co-operation with Europe through disparaging talk and cheap insults. (An honest opponent is often your best friend.) More positively, I enjoyed the Athens Olympics and felt shame at how gleefully some Australians predicted a debacle. I have also observed a continuous reduction in the conditions of employment for pilots in Australia. I have watched as the commentators on this forum have grown increasingly rude, abusive and desperate. It now seems to me that Australia exhibits a tendency toward nasty, churlish and aggressive attitudes. Aviation in Australia appears backward, small and unfriendly.
I'm ever so glad I left in 89.
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EWL and HIALS - at the risk of incurring epithets from the usual sources, I whole-heartedly agree with all you say.
Good onya, both of you!
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
Good onya, both of you!
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
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Well said HAILS...
In '89 I was still popping pimples! But for the last 7 years, the tall poppy syndrome, arrogance and ignorance of the Australian aviation fraternity have prompted me to stay abroad.
The industry in oz IS "backward, small and unfriendly."
MJB
In '89 I was still popping pimples! But for the last 7 years, the tall poppy syndrome, arrogance and ignorance of the Australian aviation fraternity have prompted me to stay abroad.
The industry in oz IS "backward, small and unfriendly."
MJB
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HIALS and mates,
Well said, I could'nt agree more!
The Fokkers in Borneo were great fun not to mention Lex and his cultural tours.
P.S. Love to down a Tiger or two with the Borneo boys one day soon.
Wooblah.
Well said, I could'nt agree more!
The Fokkers in Borneo were great fun not to mention Lex and his cultural tours.
P.S. Love to down a Tiger or two with the Borneo boys one day soon.
Wooblah.