Going Rate for Chieftain runs to Tassie and back
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Going Rate for Chieftain runs to Tassie and back
Chieftains run night freight from Moorabbin to Tasmania and back each night. Any idea how much casual pilots gets paid for each trip?
Heard on the grapevine it's around $70 for the return trip day or night. Seems unbelievably low, seeing as how it used to be at least $160 a trip 10 years ago.
Heard on the grapevine it's around $70 for the return trip day or night. Seems unbelievably low, seeing as how it used to be at least $160 a trip 10 years ago.
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And the industry can't understand why they are not taken seriously.
I don't know whether it is true or not but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Still it does take two to tango. The pilots that do it, if they do it, should hang their heads in shame
, they simply prove to the operators that there is one born every minute.
The operators must clearly be made to understand that the market in which they "operate" obviously and simply doesn't exist, except in their fantasies.
I don't know whether it is true or not but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Still it does take two to tango. The pilots that do it, if they do it, should hang their heads in shame
, they simply prove to the operators that there is one born every minute.The operators must clearly be made to understand that the market in which they "operate" obviously and simply doesn't exist, except in their fantasies.
) $150 return trip
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You should be paid double that amount !
Tassie in the middle of winter is no joke. Freezing levels down to 3000 feet, low cloud and rain, fog in LST every second night etc,. etc,.
You Guys and Gals certainly earn your $150 a night and your boss should be ashamed of himself offering such paltry wages (I use the term loosely !)
Tassie in the middle of winter is no joke. Freezing levels down to 3000 feet, low cloud and rain, fog in LST every second night etc,. etc,.
You Guys and Gals certainly earn your $150 a night and your boss should be ashamed of himself offering such paltry wages (I use the term loosely !)
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Yoh Dale
How goes it?
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right on, it's a sad joke, my son earns that much schlepping part time pizza without any of those life threatening issues.
It might be character building for a youngster, FZL 3000 in a non iced ship that is, but also probably strictly illegal most nights and I'm not looking forward to the "duty of care" court case, following the coronial that will ultimately occur.
If they can't afford to send it in something designed for and capable of the task then they can't afford to send it.
It's just another hobby masquerading as a business.
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You should be paid double that amount !
Tassie in the middle of winter is no joke. Freezing levels down to 3000 feet, low cloud and rain, fog in LST every second night etc,. etc,.
Tassie in the middle of winter is no joke. Freezing levels down to 3000 feet, low cloud and rain, fog in LST every second night etc,. etc,.
It might be character building for a youngster, FZL 3000 in a non iced ship that is, but also probably strictly illegal most nights and I'm not looking forward to the "duty of care" court case, following the coronial that will ultimately occur.
If they can't afford to send it in something designed for and capable of the task then they can't afford to send it.
It's just another hobby masquerading as a business.
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Re the Cheyenne accident.
If as reported by Bevan 666, there was a sigmet advising severe icing in the Benalla region from 5,000ft to FL120, then the cause of another accident may be apparent. What light twin, even if properly fitted with de-ice equipment will handle light to moderate for any length of time. If you run into severe icing a very rapid 180 is called for, and even that may take to long.
You dont have to be a youngster for that situation to be very character building. A duty of care case may be what is needed for some of these operators to raise their game. We have had a few cases where the coroner has strongly recommended that aircraft used for night freight runs be equipped with adequate de-icing equipment. But there is still no legal requirement, the buck is passed back to the pilot with the "no flight into known icing"clause. Cant be anybodies fault if the icing, at night, in winter, is not known about. And the payload does not have to be reduced to allow for de-icing gear.
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If as reported by Bevan 666, there was a sigmet advising severe icing in the Benalla region from 5,000ft to FL120, then the cause of another accident may be apparent. What light twin, even if properly fitted with de-ice equipment will handle light to moderate for any length of time. If you run into severe icing a very rapid 180 is called for, and even that may take to long.
You dont have to be a youngster for that situation to be very character building. A duty of care case may be what is needed for some of these operators to raise their game. We have had a few cases where the coroner has strongly recommended that aircraft used for night freight runs be equipped with adequate de-icing equipment. But there is still no legal requirement, the buck is passed back to the pilot with the "no flight into known icing"clause. Cant be anybodies fault if the icing, at night, in winter, is not known about. And the payload does not have to be reduced to allow for de-icing gear.
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G'day Gaunty, how's yourself?
Really, as far as our operation is concerned, the highest lowest safe is 2300ft. Hardly a real concern. And I 've never had to use it yet because of ice. As the boss says, "If YOU as the PIC, don't think it's a reasonable proposition to complete the flight safely, don't go" Has happened several times, never been ANY recriminations here, either. I'd rather earn $65 a flight hour doing night freight, then $25 as an instructor. Oh, and I don't have to get my own students, either.
Really, as far as our operation is concerned, the highest lowest safe is 2300ft. Hardly a real concern. And I 've never had to use it yet because of ice. As the boss says, "If YOU as the PIC, don't think it's a reasonable proposition to complete the flight safely, don't go" Has happened several times, never been ANY recriminations here, either. I'd rather earn $65 a flight hour doing night freight, then $25 as an instructor. Oh, and I don't have to get my own students, either.
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DC3's pick up ice just like any other aircraft and this can be just as lethal. Beats me why civilian DC3 operators dispensed with wing and tail de-icer equipment when they knew that it was vital for mid winter ops over the Bass Strait. Of course I should have known. It was Money -Money -Money and bugger the pilots.
The RAAF had the integrity and commonsense to keep de-icer boots on their aircraft- but that was a million years ago.
The RAAF had the integrity and commonsense to keep de-icer boots on their aircraft- but that was a million years ago.
