Is it the suitable to commence the training?
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Is it the suitable to commence the training?
Dear all
I am an oversea student, and going to commence my PPL training in NSW in August. I have never been there, but i know it should be winter by the time.
Coz I am not familiar with the weather in Oz, I am a bit worried the coming training.
Can any body tell me the winter in Oz, in NSW will be appreciated. And Is the suitable season to conduct training in winter?
Many thanks
FD
I am an oversea student, and going to commence my PPL training in NSW in August. I have never been there, but i know it should be winter by the time.
Coz I am not familiar with the weather in Oz, I am a bit worried the coming training.
Can any body tell me the winter in Oz, in NSW will be appreciated. And Is the suitable season to conduct training in winter?
Many thanks
FD
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Lovely time of year. Weather predominated by high pressure systems giving stable weather interspersed with the odd cold front bringing a few days rain. Strong westerlies may give a bumpy ride east of the Great Dividing Range sometimes but the weather will be severe clear mostly.
Much better than summer. Have fun.
Chuck.
Much better than summer. Have fun.
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Boss is in a lovely(?!) mood. Swearing predominated by high pressure workload giving instability to front office staff interspersed with the odd cold comment directed at passing pilot bringing a few minutes of sweat induced humidity.
Strong hot smelly tailwind coming from the new instructor clearing unwanted lows from the room. If these conditions continue, they may cause a pressure build up in my own local system, which if it develops into something, may clear the ops manager from the room-making conditions a little more comfortable...
...Something a little more seriously is developing....Boss now thundering and front office girl moving like lightning- this may cause precipitation...
...Front office staff now are putting on a front...moving slowly in cold icey atmosphere...
Ops manager stalling but Instructor making an approach for the back door before tempered conditions cause heated exchange...
...and sorry....someone was asking about the
weather ????
Strong hot smelly tailwind coming from the new instructor clearing unwanted lows from the room. If these conditions continue, they may cause a pressure build up in my own local system, which if it develops into something, may clear the ops manager from the room-making conditions a little more comfortable...
...Something a little more seriously is developing....Boss now thundering and front office girl moving like lightning- this may cause precipitation...
...Front office staff now are putting on a front...moving slowly in cold icey atmosphere...
Ops manager stalling but Instructor making an approach for the back door before tempered conditions cause heated exchange...
...and sorry....someone was asking about the
weather ????
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Thanks the sharing from your guys, actually, my school is located at Port Macquarie in NSW. Dose anybody conduct training there in August? how about weather there? For a student pilot, will winter be more difficult season to conduct ppl training?
I sincerely appreciate your sharing.
Regards
FD
I sincerely appreciate your sharing.
Regards
FD
Winter is a great time to fly when the weather is good (and it is most of the time) - nice smooth flying conditions and better aircraft performance.
However, I would have to disagree with Jimmy's advice. If you are training for a PPL, you should not be under the impression that you should fly in crappy weather if you don't want to. While experience is great, you are training for a PPL, which means flying when and where you want. Flying in crap weather can be saved later for your CPL and IR if that's what you choose to do later, once you've got flying the aircraft under control
However, I would have to disagree with Jimmy's advice. If you are training for a PPL, you should not be under the impression that you should fly in crappy weather if you don't want to. While experience is great, you are training for a PPL, which means flying when and where you want. Flying in crap weather can be saved later for your CPL and IR if that's what you choose to do later, once you've got flying the aircraft under control
Jimmy,
No offence, but how much "real life flying" have you actually done (FS doesn't count)?
Firstly, by bad weather I'm presuming you mean cloud, rain and/ or lightning, not just a few Cu's in a blue sky. Flying in "bad weather" on a PPL (without PIR) is illegal for starters, and even a CPL tries to avoid this weather, not fly in it.
flydreamer said s/he is doing a PPL. A PPL is designed for people who want to fly for pleasure. There is no commercial pressure on the pilot, and if they choose not to do a flight, it is entirely up to them. They do not have to justify their decision not to go with weather forecasts, fuel calcs or anything else. That was the point I was making.
Flying in bad wx when not properly qualified or experienced is not only very stressful, but dangerous. Yes, exposure to it while with an instructor is great, but there is a time and place for it, and that's either late in your PPL training, or during your CPL training.
You've got to have some reasoning behind your opinion, other than what you've seen on Topgun. If I said my opinion was the sky was green would I be right? My opinion, btw, is based on my own experience and amongst other things reading accident (including a fatal in which I personally knew the pilot) reports. What's your's based on?
There's nothing better than real life flying with all the forces and turbulance affects.
Firstly, by bad weather I'm presuming you mean cloud, rain and/ or lightning, not just a few Cu's in a blue sky. Flying in "bad weather" on a PPL (without PIR) is illegal for starters, and even a CPL tries to avoid this weather, not fly in it.
flydreamer said s/he is doing a PPL. A PPL is designed for people who want to fly for pleasure. There is no commercial pressure on the pilot, and if they choose not to do a flight, it is entirely up to them. They do not have to justify their decision not to go with weather forecasts, fuel calcs or anything else. That was the point I was making.
Flying in bad wx when not properly qualified or experienced is not only very stressful, but dangerous. Yes, exposure to it while with an instructor is great, but there is a time and place for it, and that's either late in your PPL training, or during your CPL training.
You've got to have some reasoning behind your opinion, other than what you've seen on Topgun. If I said my opinion was the sky was green would I be right? My opinion, btw, is based on my own experience and amongst other things reading accident (including a fatal in which I personally knew the pilot) reports. What's your's based on?
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Hey Chimbu Chuckles,
Was told a very amusing story about you recently involving a young female pilot whilst you were in the US doing your rating. Went along the lines of you assisting her after she had a suspected bra failure (funny....you were the only one to have reason to believe there might have been a problem) whilst at the pub having a few? beers (or something like that). Have to tell you I was in stitches. Good work and I'm sure she was appreciative. Apparently the boys were!! Been giggling ever since everytime I think about it.
Good Onya 
Was told a very amusing story about you recently involving a young female pilot whilst you were in the US doing your rating. Went along the lines of you assisting her after she had a suspected bra failure (funny....you were the only one to have reason to believe there might have been a problem) whilst at the pub having a few? beers (or something like that). Have to tell you I was in stitches. Good work and I'm sure she was appreciative. Apparently the boys were!! Been giggling ever since everytime I think about it.
Good Onya
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Thanks everybody sharing to me.
Well, I totally agree that there shouldn't be anything to block us to roam in the sky if we do have a passion to flying.
PPL training should be the basic one, and without the pressure from CPL, we will be able to enjoy feeling up there more.
But flying as PIC and can go anywhere we wanna to go, that is another fascinating thing to me.
I appreciate your mates genuine suggestion, sure, weather shouldn't be the thing to scare us, coz it sends us up to somewhere we dream on, right?
If we are ready, we can fly at any time.
Enjoy flying and enjoy our life
Well, I totally agree that there shouldn't be anything to block us to roam in the sky if we do have a passion to flying.
PPL training should be the basic one, and without the pressure from CPL, we will be able to enjoy feeling up there more.
But flying as PIC and can go anywhere we wanna to go, that is another fascinating thing to me.
I appreciate your mates genuine suggestion, sure, weather shouldn't be the thing to scare us, coz it sends us up to somewhere we dream on, right?
If we are ready, we can fly at any time.
Enjoy flying and enjoy our life
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Mate i fly out of Bankstown, and the winter weather is great. Like someone mentioned earlier, mostly high pressure cells.
Worse time ive found is Late spring early summer, big winds and sometimes storms.
Youll love it mate!
Worse time ive found is Late spring early summer, big winds and sometimes storms.
Youll love it mate!
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FlyDreamer,
As it will take you (probably) 3 - 4 months to get your PPL, Port Macquarie will be a great place to learn. Even though it's winter in August, it will be late spring before you get your PPL, and the weather up there will be outstanding!
Here's a Top tip:
THIS IS NOT TRUE!
The ATSB has plenty of fatal reports on pilots who thought that they could fly into "bad weather".
A "real pilot" (VFR pilot) gets a weather report prior to flying, plans a bad weather route to avoid any bad weather forecast, and flies with an escape route in mind if any "non-forecast" bad weather appears. In this way, a "real pilot" can fly again tomorrow.
DIVOSH!
As it will take you (probably) 3 - 4 months to get your PPL, Port Macquarie will be a great place to learn. Even though it's winter in August, it will be late spring before you get your PPL, and the weather up there will be outstanding!
Here's a Top tip:
If we are ready, we can fly at any time.
The ATSB has plenty of fatal reports on pilots who thought that they could fly into "bad weather".
A "real pilot" (VFR pilot) gets a weather report prior to flying, plans a bad weather route to avoid any bad weather forecast, and flies with an escape route in mind if any "non-forecast" bad weather appears. In this way, a "real pilot" can fly again tomorrow.
DIVOSH!
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DV, finally someone speaking some sense...
flydreamer, as DV very nicely pointed out a ppl does not allow you to fly in "bad weather". Your training will teach you how to judge the weather and avoid it. Anyone who suggests you should illegally fly in weather when you have neither the qualifications or the ability is a moron.
Jimmy, you didn't answer either of my questions. If you could;
1. How much "real life flying" have you done?
2. On what do you base your opinion?
Grow up, step into the real world and at least get a ppl before you start suggesting how ppl training should be conducted and how "real pilots" should fly.
flydreamer, as DV very nicely pointed out a ppl does not allow you to fly in "bad weather". Your training will teach you how to judge the weather and avoid it. Anyone who suggests you should illegally fly in weather when you have neither the qualifications or the ability is a moron.
Jimmy, you didn't answer either of my questions. If you could;
1. How much "real life flying" have you done?
2. On what do you base your opinion?
Grow up, step into the real world and at least get a ppl before you start suggesting how ppl training should be conducted and how "real pilots" should fly.
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Thanks for your sharing. I think you also have a true passion to sky and flying, to be honest, I also think pilot should conquer with weather, but we should always keep in mind, safety is the most important thing in each flight, right? without the safe flying, how can we look out and enjoy the beautiful blue and white.
Nobody borns with wings, but our passion powers us to learn it, and that's why we go to undertake flight training. Learning needs us to follow step by step, like PPL is the first step, we will learn how to handle with VFR, after all the basic manuovers become our second nature, then we can go to conduct CPL training, we will be capable to fly under IFR. of coz, we will also can handle more adverse weather. but all in all, safety is the first priority.
Jimmy89, if flying is our dream, let's move on it. Perhaps real world is a bit different with our dream. Sure, nobody knows what is future, but mate, we also can creat future with our hands, right?
Thanks for your sharing. I think you also have a true passion to sky and flying, to be honest, I also think pilot should conquer with weather, but we should always keep in mind, safety is the most important thing in each flight, right? without the safe flying, how can we look out and enjoy the beautiful blue and white.
Nobody borns with wings, but our passion powers us to learn it, and that's why we go to undertake flight training. Learning needs us to follow step by step, like PPL is the first step, we will learn how to handle with VFR, after all the basic manuovers become our second nature, then we can go to conduct CPL training, we will be capable to fly under IFR. of coz, we will also can handle more adverse weather. but all in all, safety is the first priority.
Jimmy89, if flying is our dream, let's move on it. Perhaps real world is a bit different with our dream. Sure, nobody knows what is future, but mate, we also can creat future with our hands, right?
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Jimmy, id have to agree with grrowler and flydreamer on this one, its a totally different world up there. U need experience before you can give a valid opinion, in this case, flying for real in crappy weather. I remember in my training that my instructor wouldnt conduct the lesson or wouldnt let me go solo especially when i was in the circuit if the weather was nasty( ie strong winds, turbulence/windshear). Also with my navs we wouldnt go if bad weather was forcast on our route. This kind of weather can be very distressing for a student pilot, therefore they learn less. After more experience then yeah a student knows what to expect therefore stresses less, and can handle adverse weather far better. No offence Jimmy, just take one small step at a time!
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Jimmy89,
I think I understand where your coming from. I think your saying that you need the experience of handling bad weather with the guidance of instructors (relatively more experience, theory etc) to gain experince so when you encouter it on your own, you have the basics of making the right decisions to avoid it. I think you mean well but with regards to weather: treat it with respect! Always try to avoid bad weather (even with an IR), and even if it means cancellation of a flight. Please read DI_VOSH post again! You will not overcome the weather, it will overcome you if you do not manage your flying correctly.
Good luck with your ambitions and as Trav737-400 says, "one small step at a time" and you will achieve.
I think I understand where your coming from. I think your saying that you need the experience of handling bad weather with the guidance of instructors (relatively more experience, theory etc) to gain experince so when you encouter it on your own, you have the basics of making the right decisions to avoid it. I think you mean well but with regards to weather: treat it with respect! Always try to avoid bad weather (even with an IR), and even if it means cancellation of a flight. Please read DI_VOSH post again! You will not overcome the weather, it will overcome you if you do not manage your flying correctly.
Good luck with your ambitions and as Trav737-400 says, "one small step at a time" and you will achieve.
