VHF or HF in PNG??
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So you know some people who were in PNG at some point, that's cool, maybe you can learn pidgin phrases like "Haus sik i stap we?".
Seriously, if those guys don't have significant command experience in PNG, they also have NO IDEA what you're flying into.
The two worst places in the world for weather are Borneo and PNG. They don't even bother trying to predict the weather across the country, because it can change faster than you can imagine.
I have been in a Cessna 402, enroute to POM, clear skies, and the weather closed in while the pilot had his head down doing a map check. Fortunately, we were able to turn back and dodge clouds and find a gap to get back to the airstrip we left from.
The point is this - you WILL get in trouble. How much trouble you simply have no concept of now.
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Michael.
Seriously, if those guys don't have significant command experience in PNG, they also have NO IDEA what you're flying into.
The two worst places in the world for weather are Borneo and PNG. They don't even bother trying to predict the weather across the country, because it can change faster than you can imagine.
I have been in a Cessna 402, enroute to POM, clear skies, and the weather closed in while the pilot had his head down doing a map check. Fortunately, we were able to turn back and dodge clouds and find a gap to get back to the airstrip we left from.
The point is this - you WILL get in trouble. How much trouble you simply have no concept of now.
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Safari suit, you sound like some one who has a death wish.
first this lunacy and then I stumbled on this...... I really wanna get kilt
I personally think you shouldn't be let anywhere near an aircraft, your going to end up dead and probably kill some poor unsuspecting innocent in the process.
first this lunacy and then I stumbled on this...... I really wanna get kilt
I personally think you shouldn't be let anywhere near an aircraft, your going to end up dead and probably kill some poor unsuspecting innocent in the process.
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Yeah, I read that one as well. Another thought I had is this ...
There is an award every year called the Darwin Award, usually awarded posthumously to a person who improves our gene pool... by removing themselves from it.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
I believe this thread should be submitted to this organisation, along with the accident report when it is released. Of course, that's assuming they find the wreckage and bother paying to remove it from the inaccessible mountain peak.
Guys like you piss me off. You've got more money than brains, leaving those more deserving of a chance in life shaking their heads in wonder at your breathtaking ignorance.
Why don't you at least do yourself a favour and take an instructor along from POM Aero Club. You can still log the hours, but PLEASE FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
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Michael.
There is an award every year called the Darwin Award, usually awarded posthumously to a person who improves our gene pool... by removing themselves from it.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
I believe this thread should be submitted to this organisation, along with the accident report when it is released. Of course, that's assuming they find the wreckage and bother paying to remove it from the inaccessible mountain peak.
Guys like you piss me off. You've got more money than brains, leaving those more deserving of a chance in life shaking their heads in wonder at your breathtaking ignorance.
Why don't you at least do yourself a favour and take an instructor along from POM Aero Club. You can still log the hours, but PLEASE FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
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Hey People...
Assuming what Noddy here has said is correct........(assuming that they do in fact exist and are aware as to what the aforesaid Noddy is wanting to do)....it really does beg the question.........who are these morons floating around the training system advising young dopey ******s like SS that they should indeed go swanning about PNG at his level of experience??!!
I mean ,...I've met some stupid bastards in the Sydney basin operating in the flying training industry....but THAT stupid?!!
Me thinks that perhaps that the initial post was a bit of wishful thinking....
Interesting posts came out of it though.
Are we finished yet.....?
Assuming what Noddy here has said is correct........(assuming that they do in fact exist and are aware as to what the aforesaid Noddy is wanting to do)....it really does beg the question.........who are these morons floating around the training system advising young dopey ******s like SS that they should indeed go swanning about PNG at his level of experience??!!
I mean ,...I've met some stupid bastards in the Sydney basin operating in the flying training industry....but THAT stupid?!!
Me thinks that perhaps that the initial post was a bit of wishful thinking....
Interesting posts came out of it though.
Are we finished yet.....?
Jeez mate.
I have several ATPLs, 4500hrs in over 30 different types and I'd be very bloody hesitant to fly in PNG without a local pilot with me for a fair amount of time.
Christ knows what's going on between your ears.
I have several ATPLs, 4500hrs in over 30 different types and I'd be very bloody hesitant to fly in PNG without a local pilot with me for a fair amount of time.
Christ knows what's going on between your ears.
Then again we usda do it fairly wounded...... 
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I was scared just heading up to AS from PF, solo, when I was building up Comm hours!
Take everyone's advice and PLEASE DON'T GO.. at least don't take a pax because you'll only be putting their life in danger.
Stick to AUS mate.. there is some beautiful scenery up North or even down in TAS.. stay here I tells ya
Take everyone's advice and PLEASE DON'T GO.. at least don't take a pax because you'll only be putting their life in danger.
Stick to AUS mate.. there is some beautiful scenery up North or even down in TAS.. stay here I tells ya
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Great thread this. I'm certainly well put off!
I guess the answer is take one of these 'ere experts with you - any offers?
I think the Australian Bonaza society and maybe some others do organised 'fly outs' up there - maybe you should talk to them and tag on.
I guess the answer is take one of these 'ere experts with you - any offers?
I think the Australian Bonaza society and maybe some others do organised 'fly outs' up there - maybe you should talk to them and tag on.
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SS if your alleged instructors are saying "Go for it" then they are lieing about their experience in PNG.
I did nearly 14 years up there and 9500 hours. 36 of my friends died up there and without exception the most inexpereinced among them was vastly more experienced than you. With possibly one exception they all had a vastly better attitude to what they were doing than you and all knew the risks.
Later this year I'll probably be flying up to PNG in my own (HF equiped) Bonanza...but after being out of the place since 1999 I'll be taking more precautions than you seem to think necesary...because of my experience.
I did nearly 14 years up there and 9500 hours. 36 of my friends died up there and without exception the most inexpereinced among them was vastly more experienced than you. With possibly one exception they all had a vastly better attitude to what they were doing than you and all knew the risks.
Later this year I'll probably be flying up to PNG in my own (HF equiped) Bonanza...but after being out of the place since 1999 I'll be taking more precautions than you seem to think necesary...because of my experience.
The Bonanza Tours to PNG are conducted by Bob Bates of Trans Niugini Tours.
Bob is a very experienced PNG pilot with over thirty years PNG flying experience. His comments are certainly worth reading.
Bob's guided Bonanza tours can't be compared to the suicidal adventure anticipated by Safari Suit.
Bob is a very experienced PNG pilot with over thirty years PNG flying experience. His comments are certainly worth reading.
Bob's guided Bonanza tours can't be compared to the suicidal adventure anticipated by Safari Suit.
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SS, Tie a whole heap of helium balloons to a lounge chair, grab a slab and an air riffle and off you go. Same result, less expense. Launch from the madang country club about 8pm on a friday night if you must have a PNG swing to the tale. At least you'll have had a couple of good hours on the SP's.
Why not fly somewhere nice, Melbourne for the GP, Hamilton Island, Adels grove for a swim , Tasmania, where ever.You'll have the rest of your career to fly to the sh1t holes.
The good bit is after you survive GA.
Why not fly somewhere nice, Melbourne for the GP, Hamilton Island, Adels grove for a swim , Tasmania, where ever.You'll have the rest of your career to fly to the sh1t holes.
The good bit is after you survive GA.
Good decision.
Plan on a trip up the flinders ranges, William Creek, Oodnadatta, Ayers Rock, Tennant Creek, Hooker Creek, Kununurra, Bungle Bungles, Halls Ck, Wolfe Creek Crater, Mitchell Plateau, Cape Leveque, Broome, Exmouth, Coral Bay, Carnarvon, Meeka, Kalgoorlie, Esperance, Caiguna, Forrest and back home wherever that might be. You'll have a blast!
And learn heaps, safely!
Plan on a trip up the flinders ranges, William Creek, Oodnadatta, Ayers Rock, Tennant Creek, Hooker Creek, Kununurra, Bungle Bungles, Halls Ck, Wolfe Creek Crater, Mitchell Plateau, Cape Leveque, Broome, Exmouth, Coral Bay, Carnarvon, Meeka, Kalgoorlie, Esperance, Caiguna, Forrest and back home wherever that might be. You'll have a blast!
And learn heaps, safely!
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ss,
Good choice.
Compressor has some good places marked out there.
Could I also suggest doing some (for want of a better phrase) mountain flying training to top it all off as well as a low level endorsement (when you get a few more hours under your belt).
I know there is guy who runs something along those lines down Victoria way.
Try ringing the CFI of Gold Coast Aviation and asking there.
Cheers
Good choice.
Compressor has some good places marked out there.
Could I also suggest doing some (for want of a better phrase) mountain flying training to top it all off as well as a low level endorsement (when you get a few more hours under your belt).
I know there is guy who runs something along those lines down Victoria way.
Try ringing the CFI of Gold Coast Aviation and asking there.
Cheers
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If your still there, your memory is correct re Kerema. NDB and DME only. You would also be interested to know there was a notam out advising that "Hoskins VOR U/S, Pilot Report". Lasted about 2 or 3 days.
For those unsure, Hoskins also only has a DME and NDB.
For those unsure, Hoskins also only has a DME and NDB.
