Pilot background checks
To qoute from the DOTARS press release
After reading it again. I think thats what they want. 'spose it helps pay for the new look CASA. Would be good if it come with some of the things they took off me back in the 80's like my mappacks and VFG and ANO's and FSU's and ..
The cost of background checking and the photographic licence will be borne by individual pilots. Licences will be valid for two years and will cost around $200.
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Ahem. I thought my Licence said it was granted - in perpetuity- and could only be revoked if I broke the law ie CAR's etc. My Medical I need to renew every two years ( yes, I know, a lowly PPL) but my licence...never.
What law am I supposed to have broken to have them revoke my Licence so that I need to get it renewed?
What law am I supposed to have broken to have them revoke my Licence so that I need to get it renewed?
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The frustrating thing is we are virtually powerless to do anything. The public will think it's a great idea. How liitle they really know!
Paint this as the thin edge of the wedge. First it'll be pilots, then truck, bus and ordinary motorists all being subjected to 'background' checks
Aviation needs to get the public on its side
Wouldn't it be good to have such an organisation here.
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Stally you are right of course.
Unfortunately there are those who see membership of AOPA as being below their (perceived ) dignity as professional (licence held not attitude) pilots.
Most of the 'rubbishing' comes not from the membership but from outside the organisation. Heaven forbid doing something positive like joining AOPA and actually getting involved in these 'stouches' with the bureaucrats of this world.
That is, rather than sitting oustide snipping away and expecting somebody else to do your fighting and dirty work for you!
Oh and by the way, AOPA are onto this licence/police check/$200 piffle anyway. And yes, the result will be either enjoyed but probably ignored if we win but listen to the howls (of the non-members naturally) if we don't.
Disco Stu
Unfortunately there are those who see membership of AOPA as being below their (perceived ) dignity as professional (licence held not attitude) pilots.
Most of the 'rubbishing' comes not from the membership but from outside the organisation. Heaven forbid doing something positive like joining AOPA and actually getting involved in these 'stouches' with the bureaucrats of this world.
That is, rather than sitting oustide snipping away and expecting somebody else to do your fighting and dirty work for you!
Oh and by the way, AOPA are onto this licence/police check/$200 piffle anyway. And yes, the result will be either enjoyed but probably ignored if we win but listen to the howls (of the non-members naturally) if we don't.
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ok fine aha
now lets just get on with it and work the problem shall we
there is a rather unjustified cost increase in our industry.
can and will AOPA do something ? ? ?
can ALL pilots (AOPA or not!) do something ?
where do we start ?
here?I hope so !
the only attack here is at the problem!!
ok fine aha
now lets just get on with it and work the problem shall we
there is a rather unjustified cost increase in our industry.
can and will AOPA do something ? ? ?
can ALL pilots (AOPA or not!) do something ?
where do we start ?
here?I hope so !
the only attack here is at the problem!!
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"its time"................
Never voted labour in my life, but...... it really is time to at least get rid of John Anderson. Any pilot who flies this moron around should pay the $200 for every other pilot in the country! Everyone in the industry should try to access as many pollies as they can. I currently have 17 15 and 16 year olds on Flightcamp and they are they are extremely responsible and are very much pro Oz. They are thoroughly disgusted with the governments' proposed charges. Will Air Force Cadets be subjected to the same charge? What about Defence Force personnel who also hold civvy pilot licences? Some companies already do police checks and bear the costs - $24 per person was the last price we were quoted. We need to hit every form of media we can.
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Gday All
I agree, what a load of crap we have to put up with, if my company won't pay up I definately won't, if they do then up go the prices less punters learning, less GA, but maybe thats Johns plan.
Some posters have indicated that AOPA should get in there and do something, I agree, I hope those posters are members and all the others who are not join today .
Cheers Q
I agree, what a load of crap we have to put up with, if my company won't pay up I definately won't, if they do then up go the prices less punters learning, less GA, but maybe thats Johns plan.
Some posters have indicated that AOPA should get in there and do something, I agree, I hope those posters are members and all the others who are not join today .
Cheers Q
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Disco Stu:
I am a Professional Pilot and a member of AOPA.
Quite a number of Professional Pilots I know are also members so it's not an 'us vs them'.
IF AOPA is doing something about it, the time to make noise is now.
So far, no press releases, TV interviews or newspaper interviews (please correct me if there has been).
The only way to change this is to embarrass Anderson as he is reactionary.
If Howard was the T Minister then no chance as he would dig his heels in. Anderson will cave in under after a few breakfast TV interviews with AOPA and other industry reps.
AOPA can take a leaf out of the Kooky Greens book. Bombard the airwaves to get noticed. They get FREE airplay because they make noise).
Watch the membership numbers climb if AOPA starts stirring the pot publically.
I am a Professional Pilot and a member of AOPA.
Quite a number of Professional Pilots I know are also members so it's not an 'us vs them'.
Oh and by the way, AOPA are onto this licence/police check/$200 piffle anyway
So far, no press releases, TV interviews or newspaper interviews (please correct me if there has been).
The only way to change this is to embarrass Anderson as he is reactionary.
If Howard was the T Minister then no chance as he would dig his heels in. Anderson will cave in under after a few breakfast TV interviews with AOPA and other industry reps.
AOPA can take a leaf out of the Kooky Greens book. Bombard the airwaves to get noticed. They get FREE airplay because they make noise).
Watch the membership numbers climb if AOPA starts stirring the pot publically.
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Gday All
I agree, what a load of crap we have to put up with, if my company won't pay up I definately won't, if they do then up go the prices less punters learning, less GA, but maybe thats Johns plan.
Some posters have indicated that AOPA should get in there and do something, I agree, I hope those posters are members and all the others who are not join today .
Cheers Q
I agree, what a load of crap we have to put up with, if my company won't pay up I definately won't, if they do then up go the prices less punters learning, less GA, but maybe thats Johns plan.
Some posters have indicated that AOPA should get in there and do something, I agree, I hope those posters are members and all the others who are not join today .
Cheers Q
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Does anyone else get the feeling that some (if not all) of the shiny bums in Canberra have totally lost the plot? Talk about the inmates running the asylum!!
I sincerely hope that AFAP as well will have something to say about this latest piece of lunacy.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
I sincerely hope that AFAP as well will have something to say about this latest piece of lunacy.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
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OK - Im an AOPA member - I dont know any pollies and I dont want to pay this stupid #&$^ing check/tax.
What can I as an individual do to help the cause? I do have a couple of mates in the media (albeit the wrong dept.) who may be able to find a sympathetic ear .
Any ideas people?
What can I as an individual do to help the cause? I do have a couple of mates in the media (albeit the wrong dept.) who may be able to find a sympathetic ear .
Any ideas people?
Write your local member. Biggest problem is aviation as a community of voters does not have the critical mass required to make MPs get nervous enough to get off the back bench and make enough noise to save their collective arses.
Food for thought, your one letter could be enough to tip the balance in favour of getting something done. Done my bit, wrote to little johnny and my local member. Still waiting for a reply.
Regards
Mark
Food for thought, your one letter could be enough to tip the balance in favour of getting something done. Done my bit, wrote to little johnny and my local member. Still waiting for a reply.Regards
Mark
Petition?
Just received by email a petition re the new airspace. Some of you may have seen it too. Generated on a site designed specifically for that purpose (sorry don't have the address now 
The same tactic could work here, maybe? I don't think there's a pilot in the country who wouldn't sign it!! Many others would too I'm sure.
Would someone out there not paying per minute for online time like to examine the possibility?
Yes it's ridiculous
Yes it's the thin end of the wedge
Tell 'em all to GO AND GET... well, you know.
CR.
The same tactic could work here, maybe? I don't think there's a pilot in the country who wouldn't sign it!! Many others would too I'm sure.
Would someone out there not paying per minute for online time like to examine the possibility?
Yes it's ridiculous
Yes it's the thin end of the wedge
Tell 'em all to GO AND GET... well, you know.
CR.
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What about banner towing
And so after paying my $200 to these money hungry, non starving, never been at the bottom of the pile pigs, will I be able to earn some money flying a &*^$ing banner around Brisbane city, or will I still be untrusted.
Thanks CASA.
Thanks CASA.
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The background check is another example of the mindless paranoia that's come out of the USA. It will certainly reduce unemployment, but have no effect on security standards.
What about applying the same standards, cost and fequency of renewals to:
Cabin crew, airport ground staff, fuel tanker drivers (nationally - not just at airports), refinery and gas plant employees, groundsmen at sporting venues (just in case they plant a bomb under the cricket pitch). The list goes on and on.....
These "rule-makers" need to stop and take stock of what they are doing and go tell the USA to find out why the other half of the world hate them so much.
What about applying the same standards, cost and fequency of renewals to:
Cabin crew, airport ground staff, fuel tanker drivers (nationally - not just at airports), refinery and gas plant employees, groundsmen at sporting venues (just in case they plant a bomb under the cricket pitch). The list goes on and on.....
These "rule-makers" need to stop and take stock of what they are doing and go tell the USA to find out why the other half of the world hate them so much.
Ovation,
I hold an FAA PPL (as well as my Aust. RPPL) and even though I'm a foreign national (Australian citizen living in the USA), I haven't been subjected to any background checks. So this particular piece of stupidity is not coming from the US. All I can think is it's another bit of revenue raising because only "rich" people can afford to fly aeroplanes ... so what's another $200!
Well, for me it's $200 less that I'll spend on flying.
I've sent my letter of protest to my local member and to Mr. Anderson. Still waiting for a reply.
H
I hold an FAA PPL (as well as my Aust. RPPL) and even though I'm a foreign national (Australian citizen living in the USA), I haven't been subjected to any background checks. So this particular piece of stupidity is not coming from the US. All I can think is it's another bit of revenue raising because only "rich" people can afford to fly aeroplanes ... so what's another $200!
Well, for me it's $200 less that I'll spend on flying.
I've sent my letter of protest to my local member and to Mr. Anderson. Still waiting for a reply.
H
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Security Checks?
How many does a guy need?
Because I have a passenger endorsement on my drivers licence, I have to have a police check every renewal, $24.
Because I have worked in mine areas I have security clearance and a police file, still current.
Because I have worked in defence security areas, I have an ongoing security check, including I believe an FBI file from past associations with the US military establishment.
Now these clowns want me to pay for yet another security check, and it's the most expensive of all. What a crock!
How many of these little bureaucratic wallies does it take to check you out? Can't they talk to each other and find out if you are already cleared to WAAAAAAAAY higher than they'll ever want for their little scheme.
With all these clearances I need, they'll be tripping over each other to get to my records and probably never grant any of them again!
Because I have a passenger endorsement on my drivers licence, I have to have a police check every renewal, $24.
Because I have worked in mine areas I have security clearance and a police file, still current.
Because I have worked in defence security areas, I have an ongoing security check, including I believe an FBI file from past associations with the US military establishment.
Now these clowns want me to pay for yet another security check, and it's the most expensive of all. What a crock!
How many of these little bureaucratic wallies does it take to check you out? Can't they talk to each other and find out if you are already cleared to WAAAAAAAAY higher than they'll ever want for their little scheme.
With all these clearances I need, they'll be tripping over each other to get to my records and probably never grant any of them again!