QF mainline recruitment?
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QF mainline recruitment?
Okay, we have the Jetstar announcement. We have GD telling us another five 738's are replacing some out going 733's. With nine A333's also to hit the QF schedules really soon.
Now my rumours?
The A333's to fly long haul from Mar/Apr '04 presumably with S/O's.
The remaining 743's to be all finished/ out of storage sometime this year.
New routes being knocked around, Shanghai/London, Bangkok/Zurich, QF or Aussie to FCO in '04, Chicago shelved?
So what's going on at recruiting any stirring?
GD says QF and international market are recovering to pre Iraq war / SARS levels so would this equate to applications being once again processed and courses from the "hold file" (sorry "active consideration file") coming to fruition?
Patience I suppose
Now my rumours?
The A333's to fly long haul from Mar/Apr '04 presumably with S/O's.
The remaining 743's to be all finished/ out of storage sometime this year.
New routes being knocked around, Shanghai/London, Bangkok/Zurich, QF or Aussie to FCO in '04, Chicago shelved?
So what's going on at recruiting any stirring?
GD says QF and international market are recovering to pre Iraq war / SARS levels so would this equate to applications being once again processed and courses from the "hold file" (sorry "active consideration file") coming to fruition?
Patience I suppose
Poto
Here's hoping that the "active consideration" file gets moving but there are two points worth considering in the short term.
1. Since the 767 is now going domestic, there are a bunch of SO's who (I assume) will need to transfer to the A333 or the 744, and
2. the 2004 cadet scheme has been given the green light.
Also, as Jetstar takes over the QF short haul routes (as I think it will in the longer term), where are the mainline pilots going to go?
I wish it wasn't so complicated...
ruprecht.
Here's hoping that the "active consideration" file gets moving but there are two points worth considering in the short term.
1. Since the 767 is now going domestic, there are a bunch of SO's who (I assume) will need to transfer to the A333 or the 744, and
2. the 2004 cadet scheme has been given the green light.
Also, as Jetstar takes over the QF short haul routes (as I think it will in the longer term), where are the mainline pilots going to go?
I wish it wasn't so complicated...
ruprecht.
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Mmhh Strong Rumours
Strong Rumour of a classic course ehh! I dig on strong rumours.
Bring on the movement
Had a couple of other Q's
What sort of retirements are expected from mainline in 2004-2005? Do these figures normally relate directly to S/O positions being created?
Also isn't the commencement of the 2004 cadet program an optimistic outlook for further recruitment.
Also, my understanding is that these dudes and dudettes will spent 2005/06 in placement programs!
For S/O gigs from 2007.
Ruprecht, The cannibilisation of QF short haul by Jet star seems inevitable but it will be interesting to see how long it takes to feel the effects in mainline. A month, a year, a couple of years.
Guess the travelling public and the demand for a full service domestic product will have the biggest say in that.
Business travellers could hold the key to QF short hauls future.
Bring on the movement
Had a couple of other Q's
What sort of retirements are expected from mainline in 2004-2005? Do these figures normally relate directly to S/O positions being created?
Also isn't the commencement of the 2004 cadet program an optimistic outlook for further recruitment.
Also, my understanding is that these dudes and dudettes will spent 2005/06 in placement programs!
For S/O gigs from 2007.
Ruprecht, The cannibilisation of QF short haul by Jet star seems inevitable but it will be interesting to see how long it takes to feel the effects in mainline. A month, a year, a couple of years.
Guess the travelling public and the demand for a full service domestic product will have the biggest say in that.
Business travellers could hold the key to QF short hauls future.
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Don't forget that those cadets probably won't get a slot until mid 2006...
There are about 150 pilots aged 55 and over, and that's just in longhaul. There seems to be an increasing number that stay on domestic ops for a while, but its not a significant number.
Jetstar is a seperate organisation
... the cadet programme is part of Qantas (mainline) flight ops.
There are about 150 pilots aged 55 and over, and that's just in longhaul. There seems to be an increasing number that stay on domestic ops for a while, but its not a significant number.
Jetstar is a seperate organisation
... the cadet programme is part of Qantas (mainline) flight ops.
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Maaaaaate.
Flight Ops react to decisions made weekly by management. They don't get told anything until some rocket scientist in management makes up a new plan.
As a result what happens today is the result of decisions made a few months back. They react, they don't lead.
As for recruiting and retirements how the hell would they know whats going to come down from on high in the next few weeks.
If you've got a fortune teller you use, that would be a better alternative. You could pass on her/his name to Flight Ops management to help them out as well.
Flight Ops react to decisions made weekly by management. They don't get told anything until some rocket scientist in management makes up a new plan.
As a result what happens today is the result of decisions made a few months back. They react, they don't lead.
As for recruiting and retirements how the hell would they know whats going to come down from on high in the next few weeks.
If you've got a fortune teller you use, that would be a better alternative. You could pass on her/his name to Flight Ops management to help them out as well.
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Rumours suggest a Classic course (yep, a classic course) in January/February.
30 pilots a year hit 60 in the next five years. This increases to 40 for the five years following. Of course, how many extend or what happens if the FAA increase the age limit to 65 is anyones guess!
30 pilots a year hit 60 in the next five years. This increases to 40 for the five years following. Of course, how many extend or what happens if the FAA increase the age limit to 65 is anyones guess!
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Just my two bobs worth. As the Airbus is going international in April, it wouldn't surprise me if the recruitment was for this type as there is only one second officer on type at the moment. If they are supposed to be recruiting in January/February this seems to make sense.
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I heard that they could get the 767 SOs onto the A330-300 (I suppose they won't need SOs if they're only doing domestic?).
What would be the possibility of cross training "other fleet" SOs onto the Airbus? (eg. one bid period fly Boeing, next bid period fly the Airbus)
I heard that they could get the 767 SOs onto the A330-300 (I suppose they won't need SOs if they're only doing domestic?).
What would be the possibility of cross training "other fleet" SOs onto the Airbus? (eg. one bid period fly Boeing, next bid period fly the Airbus)
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Most of the 767 SO's are now on other types. I'm not sure how many are left. As for the other question, forget it. The aircraft are totally different and there would be too much involved in keeping current, such as cyclic simulator sessions.
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Currently 48 S/Os on the 767 with only a few of those to disappear to promotion or the 744 in the next few months.
Bdcer, they couldn't even do CCQ with the 767 and the 744 for S/Os (which they were first talking about in '94!) so how they'd do it for Airbus/ Boeing I have no idea!
Bdcer, they couldn't even do CCQ with the 767 and the 744 for S/Os (which they were first talking about in '94!) so how they'd do it for Airbus/ Boeing I have no idea!
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bdcer, I don't believe there is a retirement planning figure because these days pilots are retiring at different ages... regardless, retirements take a little while for their effect to filter down the ranks to reach an intake requirement.
Mind you, they do have a planning figure for promotions, which is essentially the same!
Mind you, they do have a planning figure for promotions, which is essentially the same!
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Jan/Feb courses
Have heard the rumours also but has anyone actually received a call yet for slots?
I do know that the ball is definately rolling again as some colleagues have had the "we want to update some info in your file" call plus a couple of refs/tooth x-rays/security clearance calls going out.
Has any lucky ******s been given THE CALL?
Yipee the future brightens and some xmas' may actually come at once
Wow, I didn't think B#ggers was a swear word
I do know that the ball is definately rolling again as some colleagues have had the "we want to update some info in your file" call plus a couple of refs/tooth x-rays/security clearance calls going out.
Has any lucky ******s been given THE CALL?
Yipee the future brightens and some xmas' may actually come at once
Wow, I didn't think B#ggers was a swear word
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G'day all long time reader first time submitter
Happy new year to all those with a great interest in further recruitment by Mainline QF.
Has anyone had an awesome Xmas or new years present yet?
Good luck to all waiting
Happy new year to all those with a great interest in further recruitment by Mainline QF.
Has anyone had an awesome Xmas or new years present yet?
Good luck to all waiting
