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Hey Chuckles I seem to remember that one of the questions on the DHC6 tech exam was "why can the DHC6 not fly above 25,000 feet?"
Answer was because we had lead-acid batteries (on the GV -200's at least, 300's came after my time), but I always wondered if some silly bastard would climb up there to prove/disprove the theory...........................I guess now you know
Answer was because we had lead-acid batteries (on the GV -200's at least, 300's came after my time), but I always wondered if some silly bastard would climb up there to prove/disprove the theory...........................I guess now you know
The good ol' BNf@#ing2 and the 225 daily.
2 engines
2 wings
5 tyres
light the fires 'n' go
and then lift 21 bums outa the 'karbum' valley with a pocket load of Kina for Dennis.
or was that 42 outa menyamya in the twotter
or maybe 15 in the 206 from pindiu
or am I getting confused with 15 at the derro, 21 at the yachtie.....
Ah......if only I could remember
2 engines
2 wings
5 tyres
light the fires 'n' go
and then lift 21 bums outa the 'karbum' valley with a pocket load of Kina for Dennis.
or was that 42 outa menyamya in the twotter
or maybe 15 in the 206 from pindiu
or am I getting confused with 15 at the derro, 21 at the yachtie.....
Ah......if only I could remember
Grandpa Aerotart
chimbu warrior...yeah I did the same GV twotter written and it's a load of bollocks. We replaced the nicads with lead acids in the Falcon in Singapore...and we cruised at 410 all the time. Just trying to remember whether the batteries were inside the pressure hull or not 
The GV Bandits, don't remember about the Twotter 300s, had nicads and Spot was adamant that if you had a thermal runaway throw the aircraft into the nearest kunai clearing or she'd blow up like a bomb
Don't remember anything like that in any of the post Spot/GV nicad equiped aircraft I flew...be a bit inconveniant in a 747 mid pacific. Still lots more dramatic than simply isolating the battery before it gets that hot
Older...now that's a different set of records....most POB.
Bn2 17, DHC6 42...remember someone having 11 in a Baron so he wouldn't miss an afternoons diving in Rabaul, his diving buddy had 17 in the 402.
A certain well known GV Ops manager was NOT impressed...guess because it wasn't an overload that he orchestrated so it wasn't ok
Chuckles.
The GV Bandits, don't remember about the Twotter 300s, had nicads and Spot was adamant that if you had a thermal runaway throw the aircraft into the nearest kunai clearing or she'd blow up like a bomb
Don't remember anything like that in any of the post Spot/GV nicad equiped aircraft I flew...be a bit inconveniant in a 747 mid pacific. Still lots more dramatic than simply isolating the battery before it gets that hot
Older...now that's a different set of records....most POB.
Bn2 17, DHC6 42...remember someone having 11 in a Baron so he wouldn't miss an afternoons diving in Rabaul, his diving buddy had 17 in the 402.
A certain well known GV Ops manager was NOT impressed...guess because it wasn't an overload that he orchestrated so it wasn't ok
Chuckles.
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Torres, no it was a clapped out old 260 Islander, thats the only ones Biscuit Ears had in the early 70's.
Only had two POB and a few bits and pieces that mining surveyors like to carry around with them.
Cant recall ever seeing any pilot notes for the BN2A or for that matter any take off and landing charts. That is not to say there arent any notes floating around.
Anakid
Only had two POB and a few bits and pieces that mining surveyors like to carry around with them.
Cant recall ever seeing any pilot notes for the BN2A or for that matter any take off and landing charts. That is not to say there arent any notes floating around.
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Thanks anakid.. Does it even have any P-Charts? It seems like a pretty invincible machine.
Since posting this thread it has certianly taken an interesting curve type path... very interesting and educational. Thanks to those who have posted.
Please keep the stories coming, they are all very amusing.
Since posting this thread it has certianly taken an interesting curve type path... very interesting and educational. Thanks to those who have posted.
Please keep the stories coming, they are all very amusing.
Chuckles.....that sounds like a typical Spot solution to a thermal runaway.......................trash the aircraft instead of leaning back and removing the cover from the battery compartment (just in front of row 1 RHS) and unscrewing the quick-disconnect from the ni-cad. I sat and thought about the problem when I first went on the EMB-110, and as long as your arms were not too short you could easily reach the battery cover.
Just like Spot to try and make a big deal out of nothing. I flew through a Cu in a 402 one day and as we came out the other side we got an engine fire warning. Spot was in the RHS and I thought I might need a tranquiliser gun to calm him down. I took a good look at the engine, as well as T's & P's and all looked well, so I kept going (we didn't have extinguishers on the engines anyway). We were at 11,500 over the Purari, above cloud, so I preferred to take my chances on getting to Kerema rather than battling the Purari puk-puks. I swear that Spot smoked about 2 packets of cigarettes in 30 minutes. He is, and always has been, a drama queen..................
Just like Spot to try and make a big deal out of nothing. I flew through a Cu in a 402 one day and as we came out the other side we got an engine fire warning. Spot was in the RHS and I thought I might need a tranquiliser gun to calm him down. I took a good look at the engine, as well as T's & P's and all looked well, so I kept going (we didn't have extinguishers on the engines anyway). We were at 11,500 over the Purari, above cloud, so I preferred to take my chances on getting to Kerema rather than battling the Purari puk-puks. I swear that Spot smoked about 2 packets of cigarettes in 30 minutes. He is, and always has been, a drama queen..................
Grandpa Aerotart
ROFLMAO Ya gotta figure on that tight cowl there'd be a bit of paint blistering if there was any fire...mind you remember where the crossfeeds were...and how they couldn't be isolated I flew P2-ASI for RT for a while after uncle Dennis shut down GV...same thing fire warning but no fire suppression..always figured ya just suffered longer!!Particularly like the way he verbally abused all trainees in a 'patter' fashion...like he learned it at Instructor school. Small power changes on final approach always earned(in that nasally voice) "Stop masterbating those throttles!!"
Or "You'd have to be one of the roughest pilots I've ever had to fly with...I'm going to make you my special project, to turn you into a smooth IFR professional!!"
Of course 30 hrs ICUS later...with no noticeable change in how you physically flew you were a smooth IFR pro...thank god for great teachers
I will NEVER forget when a Twotter pilot was dragged out of Tabubil (yes dragged) to go on the bandit. Captain Casual we called him and a top bush operator he was...if a little impatient with Spot. One day I was enroute somewhere and all of a sudden over the airways we hear the dulset tones of our fearless mentor "NO, NO, NO...F**KING ENGINE FIRE...SILENCE THE BELL..LOOK OUT THE F**KING WINDOW!!!"
Seems spot confused intercom with transmit while coaching poor Casual...when they landed at Girua John told spot to shove the aircraft up his ar$e and went and sat in the back...Spot got tea and bikkies with Bones and ever after, on a check, he'd ask "Now shags...I'm not that bad am I?
If you read this mate...no you weren't
Older...ya forgot THE most important part of the Bongo daily...checking for ripples in the skin between engine and fuse...so you could prove they were there BEFORE you flew it!!!
Friction Nut...yes an easy aeroplane to load 'safely' and fly. She'll teach you all about fwd and aft CofG when you occasionally miss trim and she'll either be even more stable than usual or quite 'loose' in pitch.
But if you stall that slab wing she'll bite...with a load, hard. Last time I whistled past the 20 Mile Gap in a F28 you could still see the wreckage of the Islander in which Pete Caisley and Kim Eather died....circling around looking far a B25 wreck at 12000'+ with 800kgs of coffee in the back.
Having said that it's a real shame that opportunities are so few these days for young blokes to go to PNG and learn their craft...not to be sexist but there was never many expat girls flying up there...maybe less than 6 over the last 40 odd years.
Chuckles
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17 pob in a Bongo Chuckles? I managed 19 once out of Tapini. They were all schoolkids, mainly females and the one I had sittting next to me was a lovely young Lady!!
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I have a couple of hundred hours in the Islander flying newspapers late ( very late ) at night, back when I wa young and foolish. I remember it as a very honest no nonsense airplane. I have two memories of the machine.
1. It made carb ice faster than anything I have ever flown. I can recall several nights where it would not climb with enough carb heat to keep running. The drill was to climb with cold air untill the engines started to die, stagger in level flight with full carb heat and then repeat. It once took 4 cycles to climb 4000 feet.
2. One night ATC asked me for my TAS. 130 kts like every other Islander I replied. About 5 min later he repeated the question, so I said in my best 747 capt voice " Mach 0.15 " . Oh, he replied, let me guess thats about 130 knots !
1. It made carb ice faster than anything I have ever flown. I can recall several nights where it would not climb with enough carb heat to keep running. The drill was to climb with cold air untill the engines started to die, stagger in level flight with full carb heat and then repeat. It once took 4 cycles to climb 4000 feet.
2. One night ATC asked me for my TAS. 130 kts like every other Islander I replied. About 5 min later he repeated the question, so I said in my best 747 capt voice " Mach 0.15 " . Oh, he replied, let me guess thats about 130 knots !
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If anyone should know it should be Chuck as he did the ferry if I’m right. I don’t think he had to ditch it but he had to shut an engine down. Chuck fill us in the details. Every time I flew that thing something use to break. I still enjoyed it though. If only Ray’s other Aerostar had engines. Now that would have been real nice.
If anyone should know it should be Chuck as he did the ferry if I’m right. I don’t think he had to ditch it but he had to shut an engine down. Chuck fill us in the details. Every time I flew that thing something use to break. I still enjoyed it though. If only Ray’s other Aerostar had engines. Now that would have been real nice.
well there ya go!...actually read about it somewhere but only remembered this balus as it sat at the wewak/kiunga hangar at nadzab for a while in 98 while some work was done on it...
Grandpa Aerotart
Sorry 404 I didn't ferry it to the States for RT...hadn't heard it didn't get there either, I presume the poor fella survived?
On my list of preferred aircraft types to ditch in an Aerostar is way down the list...behind numerous seaplanes and flying boats.
Yes about 80% of the time I flew ASI something broke also.
PHC was just as big a piece of ****e. I did several maintenance test flights on her in Cairns in late 99. On one fuel flow fluctuations were pretty severe so I returned...the fuel leak was so bad that raw fuel was still dripping from the cowl as I shut down
I strongly suspect I used up a life that day
Chuckles.
On my list of preferred aircraft types to ditch in an Aerostar is way down the list...behind numerous seaplanes and flying boats.
Yes about 80% of the time I flew ASI something broke also.
PHC was just as big a piece of ****e. I did several maintenance test flights on her in Cairns in late 99. On one fuel flow fluctuations were pretty severe so I returned...the fuel leak was so bad that raw fuel was still dripping from the cowl as I shut down
I strongly suspect I used up a life that day
Chuckles.
