Pilot Shortage looms for NZ
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spot on mate
We still need the student loan scheme for those who are richdaddy difecent, but as it is now the only winners are the training institutions, not the disalutioned students
We still need the student loan scheme for those who are richdaddy difecent, but as it is now the only winners are the training institutions, not the disalutioned students
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Wrong? Whats wrong with what I have said, you have done nothing more than prove the point.
and the west island boys are jet rated, with 1000s of hours???
or are you going to make us believe outfits in NZ are holding out for some new CPL from Auz??
it proves what everyone else is saying, the lack of experienced pilots at the top end, NOT the shortage of actual pilots.
reduce the abundance and the requirements set by the airlines come down, why else do you think 250hr pilots get in the right hand seat of big jets outside of nz and auz?
Air NZ mainline, as an example has no evident policy on taking on a crosssection of pilots experience wise. So that they end up getting a whole group coming due to retire at once etc. There is then no group to replace them at the present entry requirement, because of our stiffled employment situation, and they scream out 'o where are they all'. Diversification, spread the experience in those taken on, is all that it needs, or is that too obvious?
I am not advocating dashing out and hiring 250hr pilots, but by spreading the experience through the ranks, we will reduce this situation and cry baby tactics. Even with a less experienced co pilot (i.e <4000-5000hr pilot for air nz jet standard, ahem...), there is still the experience of the training captain they are with, the cockpit crew works together remember!. If accidents happened due to inexperience in the airlines, then there would be more accidents lower in the food chain also.
Rich daddy? I had no rich daddy, I got off my butt and worked.
Build up a credit rating and then borrow the balance on what you have saved, from the bank.
Or is that too hard and you prefer it on a plate??
Disillusioned students you say, mmm, why could that be, were you not told of the high % of pilots that can't find a job?
or do you mean because you cant get a loan anymore?
Think of it as a saving grace on you not having to declare bankrupt.
and the west island boys are jet rated, with 1000s of hours???
or are you going to make us believe outfits in NZ are holding out for some new CPL from Auz??
it proves what everyone else is saying, the lack of experienced pilots at the top end, NOT the shortage of actual pilots.
reduce the abundance and the requirements set by the airlines come down, why else do you think 250hr pilots get in the right hand seat of big jets outside of nz and auz?
Air NZ mainline, as an example has no evident policy on taking on a crosssection of pilots experience wise. So that they end up getting a whole group coming due to retire at once etc. There is then no group to replace them at the present entry requirement, because of our stiffled employment situation, and they scream out 'o where are they all'. Diversification, spread the experience in those taken on, is all that it needs, or is that too obvious?
I am not advocating dashing out and hiring 250hr pilots, but by spreading the experience through the ranks, we will reduce this situation and cry baby tactics. Even with a less experienced co pilot (i.e <4000-5000hr pilot for air nz jet standard, ahem...), there is still the experience of the training captain they are with, the cockpit crew works together remember!. If accidents happened due to inexperience in the airlines, then there would be more accidents lower in the food chain also.
Rich daddy? I had no rich daddy, I got off my butt and worked.
Build up a credit rating and then borrow the balance on what you have saved, from the bank.
Or is that too hard and you prefer it on a plate??
Disillusioned students you say, mmm, why could that be, were you not told of the high % of pilots that can't find a job?
or do you mean because you cant get a loan anymore?
Think of it as a saving grace on you not having to declare bankrupt.
Last edited by DeltaT; 21st Sep 2003 at 19:33.
Air NZ has got a pilot cadetship programme:
NZ Regionals.
Free to boot.
Only problem is the amount of dregs left over is starting to build up too much.
They need to keep the numbers moving through up in order to skim off the top 2%.
NZ Regionals.
Free to boot.
Only problem is the amount of dregs left over is starting to build up too much.
They need to keep the numbers moving through up in order to skim off the top 2%.
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They must be joking!
PILOT SHORTAGE - NEW ZEALAND eh? Are they serious, maybe someone should tell the serious fraud office about the AIA!
As long as there are flying schools happy to lie about job prospects and starry-eyed kids with mummy's $$ around there will NEVER be a shortage of pilots in NZ! (IMHO of course!)
As for a shortage of experienced pilots, simple answer - try paying something approaching the std level and we will come home. NZ must have the worst pilots pay and condx of any western country I know... (check out Freedom and Pacific Blue). Talking around the crew room recently, we mostly left because:
- Very slow progression
- Very, very, very low pay levels
- Unpleasant employers
- Crazy entry requirements
As an example I get paid 2.4 X what i would get in NZ for the same job. Just check QF & CX pay scales vs Air NZ (let alone Freedom) for an idea.
Anyway, theres my rave on the subject.
As a parting shot I am curious as to why VB deems it OK to pay their Pacific Blue NZ F/O's half of what they pay their Ozzie ones for doing EXACTLY the same job. Thats what you get when the industry supports employment practices like Freedoms, the std has been dragged soooo low that I doubt it is still worth becoming a pilot in NZ except to leave the country?
A shame, its such a nice place to visit - now if only Emirates would open an AKL base...
As long as there are flying schools happy to lie about job prospects and starry-eyed kids with mummy's $$ around there will NEVER be a shortage of pilots in NZ! (IMHO of course!)
As for a shortage of experienced pilots, simple answer - try paying something approaching the std level and we will come home. NZ must have the worst pilots pay and condx of any western country I know... (check out Freedom and Pacific Blue). Talking around the crew room recently, we mostly left because:
- Very slow progression
- Very, very, very low pay levels
- Unpleasant employers
- Crazy entry requirements
As an example I get paid 2.4 X what i would get in NZ for the same job. Just check QF & CX pay scales vs Air NZ (let alone Freedom) for an idea.
Anyway, theres my rave on the subject.
As a parting shot I am curious as to why VB deems it OK to pay their Pacific Blue NZ F/O's half of what they pay their Ozzie ones for doing EXACTLY the same job. Thats what you get when the industry supports employment practices like Freedoms, the std has been dragged soooo low that I doubt it is still worth becoming a pilot in NZ except to leave the country?
A shame, its such a nice place to visit - now if only Emirates would open an AKL base...
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good for the flying schools and they can milk the tax payers ,,, what a rubbish system, finacing the dumb kids and also the the Little Islanders who can get the NZ paaasport , get the training and they will raise the middle finger and good bye to Helen Clearkkkkkkk
