Harrison Ford lands on taxiway KSNA
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"Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?" :eek:
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From previous published events, I thought it required an ATP rating to land on a taxiway.
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Looks like he flew one of his two Husky's, N89HU, down to SNA from Santa Monica.
The American flight he went over was AA 1456, not AA 1546 as reported in the link above and the incident occurred at about 2015Z on Monday. He landed on taxiway C and overflew the B-738 which was holding on L short of 20L for takeoff on 20R.
Originally Posted by pattern_is_full
(Post 9676215)
From previous published events, I thought it required an ATP rating to land on a taxiway.
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Not allowed to go Solo anymore ? ;)
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Well, it's better than his "landing" on a golf course.
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He needed Chewey next to him.
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Just looking at the layout of the airport... that is a gotcha which has happened elsewhere as well to much more experienced folks...
If I get it from Airbubba's message, then it is not untypical what happened here. Big Runway 20R, Small runway 20L and parallel TWY. You know you need to go to the left runway which is smaller than the right one, for some reason fix on the right one and then think oh, hang on, need to go left again. Happened to a BAC 111 at Gatwick many moons ago, BIA if I am not mistaken and scared the bejazis out of an opposite 737. By the looks of it he must have seen the 737 and avoided it easily enough just wondering what the heck it was doing there instead of getting the idea that he was in the wrong place. One of these incidents where a flat forehead may well result in aftermath. Well, nobody was hurt and wasn't likely to be hurt either. And if Harrison is a nice guy (which he is I understand) he'll write a nice "I learnt about flying from that" for all of us to help us understand why it happened so we can all learn from it. |
I don't know about the local requirements in the US but having looked at Google Earth, I wonder:
This is a large airport by light aircraft standards so where are the piano keys marking the threshold for this runway? |
Originally Posted by Possum1
(Post 9676279)
This is a large airport by light aircraft standards so where are the piano keys marking the threshold for this runway?
Some good information here in what used to be called the Airmen's Information Manual: http://tfmlearning.fly.faa.gov/publi...2/aim0203.html |
Originally Posted by Possum1
(Post 9676279)
I don't know about the local requirements in the US but having looked at Google Earth, I wonder:
This is a large airport by light aircraft standards so where are the piano keys marking the threshold for this runway? |
Was it really necessary to label this thread "Harrison Ford" lands on taxiway KSNA? Why not "Pilot" lands on taxi way KSNA or "light aircraft" lands on taxi way KSNA? It seems to me to be a bit odd. Administrator: take it down NOW before it is too late and it spreads all over the :mad: internet.
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I've been operating out of KSNA for 50 years in everything from a 150 to a 757. Holding short of 20L on Lima is routine for airliners when 20R is landing a GA.
I'm guessing he gets a 709 ride. |
Well, it's better than his "landing" on a golf course. |
Was it really necessary to label this thread "Harrison Ford" lands on taxiway KSNA? Why not "Pilot" lands on taxi way KSNA or "light aircraft" lands on taxi way KSNA? |
I seemed to be able to line up on the small runway without difficulty.
Lining up on a small runway is not the problem as this pilot successfully landed on an even smaller "runway." Identifying the correct runway to line up on is, and piano keys would have helped when a pilot is at his/her absolute busiest.
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Jeez, ...
.... give the guy a break.
Nobody got hurt, nothing got bent, sh*t happens. If you look at the airport layout it is an easy mistake to make. |
And if Harrison is a nice guy (which he is I understand) he'll write a nice "I learnt about flying from that" for all of us to help us understand why it happened so we can all learn from it. He was interviewed on The Actors' Studio TV show once, and a question came up about the dynamic rollover he had in a new Robinson during training. Interviewer: And what happened to your helicopter? Ford: It broke...........(long pause).............I broke it. He'll 'fess up. |
From the NBC News article from post #1
But Ford is revered as an excellent pilot in aviation circles. He has been inducted by the Kiddie Hawk Air Academy as a Living Legend of Aviation. The prestigious Kiddie Hawk Air Academy has inducted him a legend along with the other remarkable people accomplished in aviation such as Paul Allen, Richard Branson, Jimmy Buffet, John Travolta and that famous aviator Tom Cruise (Maverick, don't ya know?). :rolleyes: |
Reported as Harrison Ford in near miss, rather than 110 fare paying passengers in near miss.
In media land, 110 of us, is not worth one of him:) |
“You know how to fly, don’t you?” “...Unhhh, no. Do you?”
Indiana Jones ;) |
Originally Posted by Dog Star
(Post 9676349)
Administrator: take it down NOW before it is too late and it spreads all over the :mad: internet.
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At his age, should be even be driving a car on busy roads let alone flying a high performance aircraft ?
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At his age, should be even be driving a car on busy roads let alone flying a high performance aircraft ? If he passes his routine medicals and biennial flight checks who are you to deny him to any age ? I maintained a CPL until age 75, not for some remuneration but for the qualification required for the voluntary task I wished to perform, and still hold a recreational flying licence, and no, my doctor isn't a "special friend" and .... how many of those other drivers hurtling towards him on "busy roads " have ever even seen a doctor - have you ? |
https://s8.postimg.org/kr4xxzshx/SNA_Approcah.png
"Approach" view of SNA. From left, 'taxiway' A (light colored tarmac adjacent to terminal), taxiway C, 20L (both medium toned), and a dark asphalt 20R, and taxiway B (medium toned, adjacent to GA facilities and control tower). |
The fact that this pilot landed successfully on a "runway" only 10m wide - about the wing span of his aircraft - with the added distraction of a large passenger jet unexpectedly taxiing underneath him when he was about to flare, would indicate that he is not past it just yet.
When he gets his "please explain" letter from the FAA(because this is all this minor incident warrants really), I would recommend that he asks them to tell the airport operator to mark their runway more clearly - at the moment there are no piano keys or even gable markers or cones in use - see previous picture(and just because it is a VFR runway is a pretty weak excuse not to do so). 20R piano keys could do with a repaint too if this hasn't happened already! In return, he could promise to use all the resources at his disposal before he flies e.g. study Google Earth's representation of the destination airport(s) and work out what each approach will look like etc., and this should be the end of the matter. As has been mentioned in previous posts, there is plenty at this airport to confuse a pilot and a runway that is hardly distinguishable from its next door taxiway is not helpful. |
@ Metro Man high performance aircraft?! It was a Husky! Lol perhaps you were getting confused with the Millenium Falcon? ;-)
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Originally Posted by Metro man
(Post 9676488)
At his age, should be even be driving a car on busy roads let alone flying a high performance aircraft ?
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From the picture of vapilot I hardly get he should have missed the runway. He flies there frequently and he flies a lot and will know that airport very well. If you don't see the numbers on short final, you go around and so will he most probably. Was there a young blonde Indyfan on right seat?
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My dad was flying until 81 years.
At my local field we have a 92 year old that flies on a regular basis and is mentally more alert than the average 60 year old. |
I hope we are not going to make this into an age thing
I remember Harrison Ford flying into a small UK airport a long time ago he is a true aviation enthusiast Making a mistake like that is not unique not even to airlines I remember only too well the Ryan air mistake at Londonderry where a 737 approached and landed on a nearby disused airport The PAX had to be bussed out but the disused airport obviously wasn't identified as such by either the professional Captain or his FO In a basic aircraft like the Husky it is a pure visual aircraft and hence much more likely that a visual mistake was made I also ask where were ATC in this ? Surely they should have told him to Go around as he was landing on a taxiway? |
I very much doubt ATC would be able to see the difference until the wheels just about touch the tarmac by which time it is over and done with.
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Originally Posted by Dog Star
(Post 9676349)
Was it really necessary to label this thread "Harrison Ford" lands on taxiway KSNA? Why not "Pilot" lands on taxi way KSNA or "light aircraft" lands on taxi way KSNA? It seems to me to be a bit odd. Administrator: take it down NOW before it is too late and it spreads all over the :mad: internet.
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I'm with Pace. Plenty of airliners with two highly qualified "younger" F/D crew have landed/taken-off on the wrong piece of tarmac, or even landed at the wrong airport. Circumstances can confuse anyone at any age. His name, not his actions, is what has made this a headline event.
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Re post 32, for the record the "Ryanair 737" was an Eirjet A320 operating a Ryanair flight. Landed at the former RAF Ballykelly instead of City of Derry Airport.
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Did they charge him the landing fee? :}
Of course you do know what's going to happen if they paint a set of piano keys on that small runway - he'll accidentally land his 737 on it (does he even have one, maybe some other Harrison wannabe will have a crack at it). |
And didn't Dan Air land at the former RAF Nutts Corner on approach to Belfast (Aldergrove) back in the eighties. Again, there were a number of incidents when pilots confused the runways of RAF St. Athan and Cardiff (Rhoose) which had parallel runways a few miles apart, the visual clue was the cement works in between the two, so for St. Athan they needed to be on the right. Also I have a feeling Air Malta had a problem at Gatwick over confusion between the runway and parallel taxiway, again in the eighties.
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Re post 32, for the record the "Ryanair 737" was an Eirjet A320 operating a Ryanair flight. Landed at the former RAF Ballykelly instead of City of Derry Airport. Thanks for the detailed correction you are correct |
Originally Posted by vapilot2004
(Post 9676535)
"Approach" view of SNA. From left, 'taxiway' A (light colored tarmac adjacent to terminal), taxiway C, 20L (both medium toned), and a dark asphalt 20R, and taxiway B (medium toned, adjacent to GA facilities and control tower).
Those lighting conditions are different enough from the photos we've seen that I wouldn't rely on them to determine the apparent shades of grays. Also, when comparing the image provided by vapilot2004 to Google, Google shows the grass as brown not green, and 20L as a closer color match to 20R than to taxiway C. |
The mighty BA managed to attempt a landing at Bermuda some years ago on a disused runway. Only one actual runway there but a couple of stubs left over from US Navy days. Approaching from London you can see one runway from the intercept heading to the other which is obscured by a chain of low hills. Turned onto approach that one and shortly after startled that end of the island with a go around when they realised, actually that doesn't really look like its 10,000 feet long.
So any one it seems can do it with the right circumstances and its abit unfair on old Han Solo to make such an issue of it. Clearly it is an issue to be investigated by the authorities but in the US there are probably half a dozen a day like it |
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