This is outrageous :mad::mad: ....
The FAA should pull their AOC immediately :eek:

Hold off on the evacuation?
 

It would be interesting to know who on the outside of the plane transmitted, "Hold off on your evacuation". Was it RF2, or a company official?

How would they know what is really going on within the cabin?

I can't imagine someone not knowing the inside issues ordering a PIC to not exercise HIS authority.

Again, just my $.02.

Regards,

OBD

Edit. I re read the radio info. I see it now.

This is typical of the state of the industry amoungst the "Bottom Feeders" South of the border, also of some of our outfits in Canada, I hope the FAA audit these idiots and if possible, shut them down!

this story is one of the most shocking reads on ppruner in a while

hope the FAA suspends them soon

I've flown Allegiant a number of times.

Their cabin crew are professional. Their flight crews likewise (as far as I as a SLF can ever tell!)

I'm not flying them any more. Till they re-organize.

Why would the FAA become involved in a human resources issue with an employee? Not thier turf to determine if the firing has merit or not, that's the job of the court.

west coast of course its a matter for the FAA they are very much involved in the cabin decision making process and for good reason

This isn't about the evac. The PIC made his decision. The CMO office would have reviewed the process for compliance. If they had issues with that, then there would be a number of paths to head down from case closed to taking issue with the procedure itself, the PIC, the FA's and anyone else who touched the issue.

That Allegient fired him is an internal company decision. The courts will determine if the termination was appropriate or not, not the FAA.

Before you rush to reply, ask yourself why this isn't in front of a NTSB judge if you think the FAA has jurisdiction.

PIC authority is, I assume, defined in company flight ops documents. Documents that are approved by the POI.

This is most definitely an FAA issue. They just haven't gotten involved yet.

As regards the firing, your incorrect. If the the evac was completed improperly, yes the FAA would have a say.

This doesn't send a good message to the rest of the troops does it? I mean, what's the next guy going to do in the same situation? "**** I don't know if we're on fire or not, but I'm not going to evacuate because I'll get fired".

Your right
Is it the type of Airlines who will fire a Captain if he does a go around because they are not stable at 1000 feet or 500 depending of their SOP??

One word.......wow

Wonderful safety culture they are fostering.

From the folks I know there, they have some good talent in the flight deck, but the rest is in shambles...including flt ops management...few I know have stuck it out just long enough to get the jet hours then bail, hopefully without a violation, or incident on their record..

When in doubt there is no doubt. I'm all for evacuating when it is obviously the best thing to do. Sometimes it's obvious it is not necessary. Sometimes it's a grey area and there is doubt, often due to lack of information or accurate information in which you have confidence. In all circumstances it is your neck on the block. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Prevaricating is not a good idea as the 'flames rise high into the night to light the sacrificial light'....

As many other postersI find this really shocking - of course with the benefit of hindsight it might be easy to blame to captain but it is really up to him in the heat (no pun intended) of the moment. From all I can see here his decision seemed appropriate.

Just a quick question: notwithstanding the inherent risks of an emergency evacuation, what would be the cost to the carrier - I'm looking for a ballpark estimate of the direct (replacing the slides, checking some equipments) and indirect (paperwork, possible delays) costs ?

Emergency Return to SLC
 

The FAA, initially, was going to violate this Delta Captain for not commanding an evacuation for an AGB magnesium fire on a B-767:

NO ONE HURT AFTER FIRE FORCES PLANE BACK TO S.L. | Deseret News

There's a video of the fire but I couldn't find it doing a Google search.

Shouldn't the FAA be looking to whoever made the transmission to hold off the evac?
Who said it and on what grounds?

What really gets my goat is that some raving halfwit at management level actually thinks that a move such as this will not end in a bad result for the company. Better to burn some time than burn the bloody passengers. The Captain made the right call, simple.

Could this be considered to be a criminal offence, i.e. Willfully endangering a flight?