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Some of the guys posting here are over excited about airlines like United. Yes, it's a good company to work for but its very comparable to any large airline anywhere around the world, nothing special. Pay ranges from $85 hour as a new hire all the way up to $328 hour for senior widebody captains who have been here 25 years minimum. To be a 777 captain at UAL, one must be on property a minimum of 25-30 years. It's not like Qatar or Emirates where you become a 777 captain in 5 years. Annual salary is hourly rate times 1000 hours roughly and there is per diem and a b fund in which UAL contributes 16 percent. That's all you get. UAL 777/747/787 captains take home around the same amount net of taxes as a Qatar 777/787 captain. The only difference is that the UAL captain is 60 years old while the Qatar captain is in his/her 30's.. So who is really better off in the end?
Strange United hired you even though you expressed the views above and in your other posts during your United interview...
You most certainly are free to quit United (and I strongly encourage you to broaden your aviation horizon) and take a position with Qatar or Emirates, two airlines you seem to admire more than United.
That would make you happier, United happier, and open a position for a pilot who actually wants to fly for United.
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The way I see it is, when they got in trouble with cash flow they borrowed money from the Qatar government.
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Don't know what you mean by not true. Most junior 777 CA at UAL has 25 years in the company. If you mean the 757/767 fleet, even that's 20 years for left seat. Even then you will be a reserve captain and most likely paid only monthly guarantee of 73 hours pay and per diem if you fly. Another thing I don't understand is the older employees being a positive thing in your opinion. I can understand cockpit crew being older probably means more experienced but how is having grandmas in the back working as cabin crew a positive thing? Anyhow to each his own but there are plenty of airlines around the world that offer equal or better terms and conditions in the big picture.
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That will explain the no degree
For the record : United hired 1987 pilots since 2/13 and 4 only had no degree...and they were special cases.... you must be one of the 4
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Don't know what some of you are upset about. I'm just stating facts here. Personally, I love it at United so I won't be leaving to go anywhere. I interviewed in Denver and I assure you that we have hired more than 4 pilots without a 4 year degree/ no college at all.. Also, I'm not connected at UAL in any way, shape or form. I simply applied, interviewed and got hired on my own merit. All of you are free to do the same. However, What United loved about me was the fact that I flew for Qatar Airways. It was a huge factor in my success in getting hired at UAL. The legacy carriers respect time spent at an airline like Qatar or Emirates.
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Don't know what some of you are upset about. I'm just stating facts here. Personally, I love it at United so I won't be leaving to go anywhere. I interviewed in Denver and I assure you that we have hired more than 4 pilots without a 4 year degree/ no college at all.. Also, I'm not connected at UAL in any way, shape or form. I simply applied, interviewed and got hired on my own merit. All of you are free to do the same. However, What United loved about me was the fact that I flew for Qatar Airways. It was a huge factor in my success in getting hired at UAL. The legacy carriers respect time spent at an airline like Qatar or Emirates.
"They" loved your Qatar experience - really? On this forum, you pontificate as if you have some insight into United's hired process because you were hired. Reality check UAL777, you know nothing about United's hiring process, absolutely, positively, nothing. What you know is: you. got. hired.
How exactly do you know that because you flew for Qatar it had any influence on you being hired at my airline? All that "command" experience you demonstrated there? Oh because someone said it in your interview - Dude - you need a reality check. And exactly how do you know that United has hired more than 4 pilots without four year degrees or nor college at all? You don't, I know you don't. Even you can't be that big of a goober and believe what hiring information UAL puts out (which if you do, shows what a newbie you are....)
I submit you "know" none of the things you say you know, you are not "just stating facts" because unlike you, I know what I am talking about, and if you want to continue this nonsense, I most certainly will to its logical conclusion.
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Don't know what some of you are upset about. I'm just stating facts here. Personally, I love it at United so I won't be leaving to go anywhere. I interviewed in Denver and I assure you that we have hired more than 4 pilots without a 4 year degree/ no college at all.. Also, I'm not connected at UAL in any way, shape or form. I simply applied, interviewed and got hired on my own merit. All of you are free to do the same. However, What United loved about me was the fact that I flew for Qatar Airways. It was a huge factor in my success in getting hired at UAL. The legacy carriers respect time spent at an airline like Qatar or Emirates.
If you got hired at 13 you did interview at Houston by Continental people and Charlie Vs people,
Because United Interviews and process did not start at TK in Denver till mid 2014
Go away .......
PS the 4 without college degree was an ALPA statistic during their job fair helping all ALPA members from the Regionals
UAL777,
I have no interest in picking a fight with anyone particularly where career choices are concerned since it's rather personal. I do, however, try to understand how it all works...and ask questions because my perspective is a bit limited.
In post #10, you said, "I got hired with United from Qatar Airways..." and then went on to represent Qatar as the equal (or better) of the US legacies as a career choice:
"Some of the guys posting here are over excited about airlines like United. Yes, it's a good company to work for but its very comparable to any large airline anywhere around the world, [NOTHING SPECIAL]."
Do you see Qatar or any ME carrier as a "comparable" place where a young pilot of Western origin would go expecting to remain in an alien culture for several decades ending with a ride into the sunset with sufficient pension intact ?
I got the impression that's what you meant to say...35 y/o ME WB captain as a better choice vs 50+ y/o US legacy WB captain...
You left Qatar.
I know two people who have flown for Qatar. One left and one wants to. Hardly statistically-significant data but information nonetheless (I'll disregard all the publicity Qatar [and other ME carriers] has gotten on the management-employee front due to "cultural" differences).
Careers are marathons, not sprints. And obviously, no guarantees apply; they obviously don't with the US legacies. I can document that. But, it's a roll of the dice with the choice of where to roll them being the critical factor for the best chance of success long term.
I'm curious how any ME carrier is a better or even equal choice for a young Western person choosing a long term career path.
I'd suggest you've grabbed the brass ring by flying for UAL. Some day we all wake up 65 years old and all is revealed. ;-)))
And it's then too late to repair any damage attributable to the choices of a younger self .
I have no interest in picking a fight with anyone particularly where career choices are concerned since it's rather personal. I do, however, try to understand how it all works...and ask questions because my perspective is a bit limited.
In post #10, you said, "I got hired with United from Qatar Airways..." and then went on to represent Qatar as the equal (or better) of the US legacies as a career choice:
"Some of the guys posting here are over excited about airlines like United. Yes, it's a good company to work for but its very comparable to any large airline anywhere around the world, [NOTHING SPECIAL]."
Do you see Qatar or any ME carrier as a "comparable" place where a young pilot of Western origin would go expecting to remain in an alien culture for several decades ending with a ride into the sunset with sufficient pension intact ?
I got the impression that's what you meant to say...35 y/o ME WB captain as a better choice vs 50+ y/o US legacy WB captain...
You left Qatar.
I know two people who have flown for Qatar. One left and one wants to. Hardly statistically-significant data but information nonetheless (I'll disregard all the publicity Qatar [and other ME carriers] has gotten on the management-employee front due to "cultural" differences).
Careers are marathons, not sprints. And obviously, no guarantees apply; they obviously don't with the US legacies. I can document that. But, it's a roll of the dice with the choice of where to roll them being the critical factor for the best chance of success long term.
I'm curious how any ME carrier is a better or even equal choice for a young Western person choosing a long term career path.
I'd suggest you've grabbed the brass ring by flying for UAL. Some day we all wake up 65 years old and all is revealed. ;-)))
And it's then too late to repair any damage attributable to the choices of a younger self .
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Well, last year UAL777 posted this:
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/57...ml#post9264977
Stay away from Qatar Airways. Horrible place to work with third world loser pilots..Emirates has issues also. The airline from Abu Dhabi is the best choice..I have worked for Qatar and the airline from Abu Dhabi. The airline from Abu Dhabi is a great place to work...There is nothing good about QR...nothing..
