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Apologies in advance if this question has been answered earlier in the thread. What are people's thoughts on ExpressJet vs TSA? In particular the offered sign-up bonuses/pay/working environment?
I'm looking at a move from Aus, so curious to know what the deal may be?
Thanks in advance.
I'm looking at a move from Aus, so curious to know what the deal may be?
Thanks in advance.
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The regional forum at Airline Pilot Central will give you the usual array of opinions. There's a bit of turmoil in the regional world here at the moment (or maybe there always is) but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take a run at it.
Good luck with your choice. See the airline "profiles" on APC if you haven't already:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/
Given the choice Expressjet is the clear winner. Trans States Holdings isnt in a good position at the moment. Expressjet is chronically short of FO's right now so your move.
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I’m curious about this as well. My wife is entitled to an EB3 visa and I am therefore entitled to an E34 visa apparently. I am curious if I would be able to work for a US regional with an E34?
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Just a bit of behind-the-scenes at Expressjet as revealed on another forum. It's from post #44 on the link. While the thread itself is about another subject, the quote (bold) appears to be from Expressjet internally:
"We've had a bunch of applicants who are still in training since April... That and a many others washing out.
It's so bad they're paying for a separate expensive week long course after the ATP-CTP course that teaches these applicants basic pilot skills!"
"To increase our success with New Hire candidates, we have secured with FlightSafety a one week “pre-course” that covers general ground and turbojet sim training. Selected New Hires will attend this basic pre-program before they begin training at ExpressJet. Our goal is to match the ExpressJet ground and sim footprint for all candidates even if pilots lack recent currency or need a little help in understanding the airline environment. This “pre-course” will add significant costs, but we are hoping to make that up in (a) improved New Hire pilot success and (b) having our instructors focus on ExpressJet material – vs helping New Hires remedy core piloting skills. The first class will start this month and we will be gathering the metrics to judge the success."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...-aviate-5.html
"We've had a bunch of applicants who are still in training since April... That and a many others washing out.
It's so bad they're paying for a separate expensive week long course after the ATP-CTP course that teaches these applicants basic pilot skills!"
"To increase our success with New Hire candidates, we have secured with FlightSafety a one week “pre-course” that covers general ground and turbojet sim training. Selected New Hires will attend this basic pre-program before they begin training at ExpressJet. Our goal is to match the ExpressJet ground and sim footprint for all candidates even if pilots lack recent currency or need a little help in understanding the airline environment. This “pre-course” will add significant costs, but we are hoping to make that up in (a) improved New Hire pilot success and (b) having our instructors focus on ExpressJet material – vs helping New Hires remedy core piloting skills. The first class will start this month and we will be gathering the metrics to judge the success."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...-aviate-5.html
Last edited by bafanguy; 4th Oct 2019 at 12:51.
Just a bit of behind-the-scenes at Expressjet as revealed on another forum. It's from post #44 on the link. While the thread itself is about another subject, the quote (bold) appears to be from Expressjet internally:
"We've had a bunch of applicants who are still in training since April... That and a many others washing out.
It's so bad they're paying for a separate expensive week long course after the ATP-CTP course that teaches these applicants basic pilot skills!"
"To increase our success with New Hire candidates, we have secured with FlightSafety a one week “pre-course” that covers general ground and turbojet sim training. Selected New Hires will attend this basic pre-program before they begin training at ExpressJet. Our goal is to match the ExpressJet ground and sim footprint for all candidates even if pilots lack recent currency or need a little help in understanding the airline environment. This “pre-course” will add significant costs, but we are hoping to make that up in (a) improved New Hire pilot success and (b) having our instructors focus on ExpressJet material – vs helping New Hires remedy core piloting skills. The first class will start this month and we will be gathering the metrics to judge the success."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...-aviate-5.html
"We've had a bunch of applicants who are still in training since April... That and a many others washing out.
It's so bad they're paying for a separate expensive week long course after the ATP-CTP course that teaches these applicants basic pilot skills!"
"To increase our success with New Hire candidates, we have secured with FlightSafety a one week “pre-course” that covers general ground and turbojet sim training. Selected New Hires will attend this basic pre-program before they begin training at ExpressJet. Our goal is to match the ExpressJet ground and sim footprint for all candidates even if pilots lack recent currency or need a little help in understanding the airline environment. This “pre-course” will add significant costs, but we are hoping to make that up in (a) improved New Hire pilot success and (b) having our instructors focus on ExpressJet material – vs helping New Hires remedy core piloting skills. The first class will start this month and we will be gathering the metrics to judge the success."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...-aviate-5.html
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havick,
Yes, I suppose it appears that way. But, the industry will have to change.
No one is born with experience and so must get it somewhere. Perhaps somewhere will also have to change. If done properly, it certainly can change.
In any event, I've said more than once, "Seats will be filled"...and they will.
Yes, I suppose it appears that way. But, the industry will have to change.
No one is born with experience and so must get it somewhere. Perhaps somewhere will also have to change. If done properly, it certainly can change.
In any event, I've said more than once, "Seats will be filled"...and they will.
Last edited by bafanguy; 4th Oct 2019 at 22:56.
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Horizon Air trotting out their Pilot Development Program again:
https://alaskaair.jobs/seattle-wa/pi...ce=SkyJobs.com
https://alaskaair.jobs/seattle-wa/pi...ce=SkyJobs.com
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havick The pilot shortage is more nuancéd than the binary position currently broadly understood.
There is in fact a quality pilot shortage....or more accuratly put.... A shortage of airline operations capable pilots.
This is manifesting now in the regionals and is tacitly acknowledged by xjts unprecidented action.
There is in fact a quality pilot shortage....or more accuratly put.... A shortage of airline operations capable pilots.
This is manifesting now in the regionals and is tacitly acknowledged by xjts unprecidented action.
havick The pilot shortage is more nuancéd than the binary position currently broadly understood.
There is in fact a quality pilot shortage....or more accuratly put.... A shortage of airline operations capable pilots.
This is manifesting now in the regionals and is tacitly acknowledged by xjts unprecidented action.
There is in fact a quality pilot shortage....or more accuratly put.... A shortage of airline operations capable pilots.
This is manifesting now in the regionals and is tacitly acknowledged by xjts unprecidented action.
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Are the regional rotor-to-fixed wing programs having an noticeable effect on Army pilot retention ? I haven't seen any data but the question is being raised:
“One question I often get asked is, are the airlines impacting your shortfall,” Brig. Gen. Michael C. McCurry, director of Army aviation for the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff G-3/5/7 said Thursday at an aviation-focused event at the Association of the United States Army. “Well the short answer is, we don’t know. We don’t have good measurements out there right now to tell us why an aviator is getting out of the force."
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...es-stays-high/
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...mand-cautions/
“One question I often get asked is, are the airlines impacting your shortfall,” Brig. Gen. Michael C. McCurry, director of Army aviation for the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff G-3/5/7 said Thursday at an aviation-focused event at the Association of the United States Army. “Well the short answer is, we don’t know. We don’t have good measurements out there right now to tell us why an aviator is getting out of the force."
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...es-stays-high/
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...mand-cautions/
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I couldnt answer that question for the US Army/marine corps however I can say that there is a vast difference between loosing a 10 year pilot to a 3rd or 4th year pilot in the Army.
Speaking loosly, in the civillian sector once you get you ATP ticket there really is no concrete measure of experience that actually affects your capacity to do your job. By this I mean a 1500h ATP pilot can 'do' thier job as much as a 10000h ATP pilot can....i.e: get plane from a to b.
In the army however the difference is exponential between a 4yr and 10 year pilot. But the military uses civillian metrics (pilot in vs pilot out) to measure its shortage. A mil guy not only needs to fly but then needs to go through multiple mission upgrades. Probably 20 to 30 up to a ten year point generally culminating as a flight examiner.
My point, and I have argued this before, Army needs to measure the pilot workforce in both numbers and man years to get a true reflection of the workforce.
So.....if Army thinks they are short in the raw numbers then if they started to look at skills lost
using a man years metric I would posit the defecit would be staggering.
Speaking loosly, in the civillian sector once you get you ATP ticket there really is no concrete measure of experience that actually affects your capacity to do your job. By this I mean a 1500h ATP pilot can 'do' thier job as much as a 10000h ATP pilot can....i.e: get plane from a to b.
In the army however the difference is exponential between a 4yr and 10 year pilot. But the military uses civillian metrics (pilot in vs pilot out) to measure its shortage. A mil guy not only needs to fly but then needs to go through multiple mission upgrades. Probably 20 to 30 up to a ten year point generally culminating as a flight examiner.
My point, and I have argued this before, Army needs to measure the pilot workforce in both numbers and man years to get a true reflection of the workforce.
So.....if Army thinks they are short in the raw numbers then if they started to look at skills lost
using a man years metric I would posit the defecit would be staggering.