RJ pilot shortage due to new regulation
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RJ pilot shortage due to new regulation
according to articles in professional publications, there is a shortage of 1500 hr ATP pilots in the RJ airlines.
is there a chance to get a job without permanent residency due to this severe shortage??
(I posses an FAA ATP with over 3500 hr + military experience)
is there a chance to get a job without permanent residency due to this severe shortage??
(I posses an FAA ATP with over 3500 hr + military experience)
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Fake articles about pilot shortage in regional airlines
There is a mass of media attention on this but if you look closely all the articles are focused in several specific publications (such as the Wall Street Journal) and are actually paid content by the Regional Airlines Association actively lobbying Congress and trying to sway public opinion with these fake articles. Their goal is to overturn the regulations or get Government subsidies to pay for their failing business model.
The second poster is absolutely right. There is no pilot shortage as described. The shortage is a Government regulated shortage of under qualified pilots coming in at less than minimum wage. There are plenty of experienced professionals willing to fly these advanced design regional jets for a reasonable salary. We just aren't willing to do it for free or for less money than we can make bar tending or part time (or something else).
The industry used to be self regulating but it was getting out of hand and the Government needed to step in and raise the minimum requirements to stop the abuse.
Hopefully all those currently flying for low paying regional airlines and who have built some decent flight time by now will be able to get out and find decent paying jobs very quickly and force these companies to either change their business model or get out.
Please note that some regional airlines are paying and treating their pilots a bit better than others but I don't know of anybody who is competitive with the larger airlines even with experienced captains flying modern sophisticated jet airliners with around 70 or more seats.
The huge irony is that the Regional Airlines Association is arguing that increasing the minimum requirements for pilots will compromise safety by forcing them to lower their standards...HAHA!!!
Whenever a friend or family member shows you one of these articles... be sure to point out the BS and tell them the truth. The only way to fight fake media is with the truth.
The second poster is absolutely right. There is no pilot shortage as described. The shortage is a Government regulated shortage of under qualified pilots coming in at less than minimum wage. There are plenty of experienced professionals willing to fly these advanced design regional jets for a reasonable salary. We just aren't willing to do it for free or for less money than we can make bar tending or part time (or something else).
The industry used to be self regulating but it was getting out of hand and the Government needed to step in and raise the minimum requirements to stop the abuse.
Hopefully all those currently flying for low paying regional airlines and who have built some decent flight time by now will be able to get out and find decent paying jobs very quickly and force these companies to either change their business model or get out.
Please note that some regional airlines are paying and treating their pilots a bit better than others but I don't know of anybody who is competitive with the larger airlines even with experienced captains flying modern sophisticated jet airliners with around 70 or more seats.
The huge irony is that the Regional Airlines Association is arguing that increasing the minimum requirements for pilots will compromise safety by forcing them to lower their standards...HAHA!!!
Whenever a friend or family member shows you one of these articles... be sure to point out the BS and tell them the truth. The only way to fight fake media is with the truth.
Judging by his handle, Lifeafteraviation has changed careers. As have I. It's simply not worth it anymore. The shortage is also not limited to the regionals. I friend of mine flies for Kalitta, and he also reports flights getting canceled for lack of crews.
I would disagree on one minor point with Life, though. The gov't didn't act to stop the abuse, it acted in order to be seen to be doing something after the Buffalo Colgan crash. The irony is that the low time FO had nothing to do with that crash, aside from failing to alert the Captain to the impending problem. It's hard to say what would have been, but I'm guessing the current labor situation would have occurred with or without the latest regs. Things have been going downhill for a long time. Perhaps the regionals would still be able to fill their classes with 250 hour pilots, but I think even those kids would quickly become disillusioned and leave. Although, judging by the OP, perhaps I'm wrong. And yes, Avieh7, if there is any possible way I'm sure any of the regionals would love to have you. I don't know how the green card system works, but I do know there are lots of foreigners flying here. Can't hurt to apply.
I would disagree on one minor point with Life, though. The gov't didn't act to stop the abuse, it acted in order to be seen to be doing something after the Buffalo Colgan crash. The irony is that the low time FO had nothing to do with that crash, aside from failing to alert the Captain to the impending problem. It's hard to say what would have been, but I'm guessing the current labor situation would have occurred with or without the latest regs. Things have been going downhill for a long time. Perhaps the regionals would still be able to fill their classes with 250 hour pilots, but I think even those kids would quickly become disillusioned and leave. Although, judging by the OP, perhaps I'm wrong. And yes, Avieh7, if there is any possible way I'm sure any of the regionals would love to have you. I don't know how the green card system works, but I do know there are lots of foreigners flying here. Can't hurt to apply.
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I can see them changing the 1500 hour ATP rule before allowing non citizens or non green card holders to fly for the US airlines.Yes there are many foreigners flying over here for the airlines but they all have the right to work here either through naturalization, marriage green card etc.Like the others have said there is no shortage of pilots just a shortage of pilots with an ATP willing to work for low wages.
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Actually, when the Colgan F/O retracted the flaps during the stall, without confirming it with the Captain, their fate was sealed. I'd say the low time F/O had a lot to do with the outcome of that flight.
That said, congress did the right thing. They didn't however, do it the right way. They should have consulted industry before issuing an NPRM, never mind passing it into law. So now we're stuck with it. (Personally, I doubt it will be repealed)
As a pilot, I know something had to be done to stop the madness in the regional airline world. Ridiculous salaries, benefits (if you can even use that term) and working conditions were out of control.
As these airlines fell victim to their mainline owners chapter 11 filings, the weaker ones have merged, shut down, failed or signed new agreements.
Today, an ATP with a 1500 hour requirement should benefit the 121 world but is likely going to cripple the regional airlines as the mainlines recruit from their number. The USAF isn't going to provide the numbers needed.
So, it's all good.
Eagle shuts down. American has to find another regional to haul their regional traffic and that isn't going to be easy. Upward pressure on salaries, benefits and working conditions will surely result...
But only if pilots take advantage of this opportunity and provide some push back like the pilots at American Eagle.
What was that famous line in that 80s movie?
"I'm fed up and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Let's see what the Regional Airline pilots do with opportunities like this. I hope they get it.
Willie
That said, congress did the right thing. They didn't however, do it the right way. They should have consulted industry before issuing an NPRM, never mind passing it into law. So now we're stuck with it. (Personally, I doubt it will be repealed)
As a pilot, I know something had to be done to stop the madness in the regional airline world. Ridiculous salaries, benefits (if you can even use that term) and working conditions were out of control.
As these airlines fell victim to their mainline owners chapter 11 filings, the weaker ones have merged, shut down, failed or signed new agreements.
Today, an ATP with a 1500 hour requirement should benefit the 121 world but is likely going to cripple the regional airlines as the mainlines recruit from their number. The USAF isn't going to provide the numbers needed.
So, it's all good.
Eagle shuts down. American has to find another regional to haul their regional traffic and that isn't going to be easy. Upward pressure on salaries, benefits and working conditions will surely result...
But only if pilots take advantage of this opportunity and provide some push back like the pilots at American Eagle.
What was that famous line in that 80s movie?
"I'm fed up and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Let's see what the Regional Airline pilots do with opportunities like this. I hope they get it.
Willie
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Upward pressure on salaries, benefits and working conditions will have to be acknowledged...
Watch this space.
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How miserly airlines created their own pilot shortage
Here is a good explanation of the so called shortage. Basic pay.
How miserly airlines created their own pilot shortage - Phoenix Business Journal
How miserly airlines created their own pilot shortage - Phoenix Business Journal
