Congress wants ATP & 1,500 hours for Regional Pilots
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The wording of the legislation right now has a 3 year waiver for F/Os who are not currently ATP rated. Of course it hasn't made it out of Congress yet.
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Go Congress!
Well it's good news for GA and Flight schools - at last some new instructors and hour builders to stay in business!
And good for the oldies who have lots of good hours but have been overlooked as they cost more than 250 hr, better looking, second officers.
And good for the oldies who have lots of good hours but have been overlooked as they cost more than 250 hr, better looking, second officers.
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personally I don't agree with the 1500 hr requirement... it's what's done with the hours that counts not the quantity.. Like most of us I've flown with some extremely mature (in outlook) and capable low time pilots and some real hopeless high time pilots... Someone who's been flying single crew on nightfreight ops in the northern states for a couple of years would be very welcome to join me in the cockpit... What we do need to concentrate on is the combination of crew that makes up the team... A capt with limited experience either of the left hand seat OR the type he's flying should not be teamed with anyone other than a senior first officer with considerable experience.
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different perspectives/insights
The 1500 hour minimum requirement might not just be a question of internal US affair but an attempt to regulate the flow (or outflow) of pilots in and out of the US... and lessen the impact on other countries' aviation industry during crisis times.
When a 250 hour pilot gets a type rating on an EMB145 or CRJ200 and the crisis hits in the US, we observe a huge flood of pilots in other continents, especially Asia these days, complitely saturating the market overseas, creating major problems for pilots in these countries to find jobs.
A 250 hour pilot means he will upgrade sooner to a bigger airplane, and when the crisis hits in the US, now we get a rush of A320/B737 pilots with no jobs invading the rest of the world (except Europe). It's not normal for a pilot in another country that has all his licenses and time to be an FO an a machine can't find a job because there are no less than thousands of US FOs on narrow bodies with no less than 5000 hours asking for jobs !!!!
and for those pilots that do find jobs, when they have a contract and things go better in the US well, what do these pilots do ? what about the US carriers ? do they have to go all over again through pilot training cycles at their own costs?
The impact of having 250 hour pilots on the right seat of an air carreer is not just limited to the US and not just safety. Personnally I don't see much of a difference between a 1000 hour or 1500 hour CRJ FO. What is happening now is more global... I believe people in the aviation industry today need to think on a much wider/more global scale. Every country in the world is raising its standards, I am certain the congress is going that way as well.
If people have different opinions or think I am wrong, please give your opinions, it will help thinking it over with different perspectives !!
cheers
When a 250 hour pilot gets a type rating on an EMB145 or CRJ200 and the crisis hits in the US, we observe a huge flood of pilots in other continents, especially Asia these days, complitely saturating the market overseas, creating major problems for pilots in these countries to find jobs.
A 250 hour pilot means he will upgrade sooner to a bigger airplane, and when the crisis hits in the US, now we get a rush of A320/B737 pilots with no jobs invading the rest of the world (except Europe). It's not normal for a pilot in another country that has all his licenses and time to be an FO an a machine can't find a job because there are no less than thousands of US FOs on narrow bodies with no less than 5000 hours asking for jobs !!!!
and for those pilots that do find jobs, when they have a contract and things go better in the US well, what do these pilots do ? what about the US carriers ? do they have to go all over again through pilot training cycles at their own costs?
The impact of having 250 hour pilots on the right seat of an air carreer is not just limited to the US and not just safety. Personnally I don't see much of a difference between a 1000 hour or 1500 hour CRJ FO. What is happening now is more global... I believe people in the aviation industry today need to think on a much wider/more global scale. Every country in the world is raising its standards, I am certain the congress is going that way as well.
If people have different opinions or think I am wrong, please give your opinions, it will help thinking it over with different perspectives !!
cheers
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i think its a great idea...
i understand that there are many great 1000 hour pilots and many lousy 10,000 hour pilots but flight schools can keep their instructors longer and finding a job at a regional will be easier.
here in Argentina there is a senior commercial license (Canada had this license until 1980 i believe).
to obtain a senior commercial one must hold a commercial license with ifr and me rated and 900 hours total time and 25 multi hours and pass a written exam (same as ATP). this allows you to work as a co-pilot.
in Argentina to become a CFI requires 500 hours total and the ATP is 1500 hours total (typical ICAO standard) and pass a check ride.
maybe the FAA check take this approach. a sliding scale. i could never understand how one could get a commercial license in the USA today and technically get a CFI the next....
i understand that there are many great 1000 hour pilots and many lousy 10,000 hour pilots but flight schools can keep their instructors longer and finding a job at a regional will be easier.
here in Argentina there is a senior commercial license (Canada had this license until 1980 i believe).
to obtain a senior commercial one must hold a commercial license with ifr and me rated and 900 hours total time and 25 multi hours and pass a written exam (same as ATP). this allows you to work as a co-pilot.
in Argentina to become a CFI requires 500 hours total and the ATP is 1500 hours total (typical ICAO standard) and pass a check ride.
maybe the FAA check take this approach. a sliding scale. i could never understand how one could get a commercial license in the USA today and technically get a CFI the next....
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>WRT stall training, by the results, it looks like the Gulfstream Academy hasn't provided very good training to any of pilots.<
GF: Aren't Gulfstream a 141 structured school? So........
GF: Aren't Gulfstream a 141 structured school? So........
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And American fired the captain of the C-130 crash in Honduras and ATA, I believe, fired the captain of the C-5 stall incident at Diego Garcia. Your point?
And American fired the captain of the C-130 crash in Honduras and ATA, I believe, fired the captain of the C-5 stall incident at Diego Garcia. Your point?
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i think its a great idea...
i understand that there are many great 1000 hour pilots and many lousy 10,000 hour pilots but flight schools can keep their instructors longer and finding a job at a regional will be easier.
i understand that there are many great 1000 hour pilots and many lousy 10,000 hour pilots but flight schools can keep their instructors longer and finding a job at a regional will be easier.
There has to be at least one crew member up front with solid experience of the aircraft in all flight regimes and a logbook that testifies to a number of years of hard IFR and headbanging with flight ops. The passengers have a right to expect it and if necessary they should be made to realise they need to pay extra to ensure it...
We're talking about sophisticated aircraft that young crews approach like a FlightSim toy... there are real people down the back.
A 3 pilot system of second officer status riding jump-seats would greatly enhance experience prior to a full first officer status and give the captain a useful tool in the right seat.... and oh yes... it would also improve the job market
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Sorry to go off like this but 
congress. I'd like one of those that had integrity, did not make reelection their 1st priority, did not hump the page in the chambers, did not put off issues for the next generation, did not take their girls/boys on trips at my expense,etc. Hypocrites all!
congress. I'd like one of those that had integrity, did not make reelection their 1st priority, did not hump the page in the chambers, did not put off issues for the next generation, did not take their girls/boys on trips at my expense,etc. Hypocrites all!
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