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Skybus Airlines...Columbus,OH
Finally the pilots are waking up
. Leaving that rat hole
fasssssst. Skybus is a managment scam to fill their pockets with millions
. Its a small industry..they will get whats coming to them.
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Numbers...
Six Capt gone from the start of this rat hole airline....5 more headed fareast
...Cant get enough people to interview..looking at turboprop guys now...WOW...Nice...Take that to your investors Bill. That company is a sinking ship from the start. Use their asses for free A320 TYPE yal....I 
did....hehehehe
....5 more headed fareast...Cant get enough people to interview..looking at turboprop guys now...WOW...Nice...Take that to your investors Bill. That company is a sinking ship from the start. Use their asses for free A320 TYPE yal....I did....hehehehe
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you werent very smart to begin with by going there. but hey at least you got a free type. good luck getting a respectable job, now that you have sh!tbus on your resume
you werent very smart to begin with by going there. but hey at least you got a free type. good luck getting a respectable job, now that you have sh!tbus on your resume
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UNION
UNION...UNION...UNION...Every pilot & flight attendant knowns thats the ONLY way to stop all this madness thats is going on at that company. They have all the characteristics of a dog, except LOYALTY.....when you have a dog that isn't loyal..you put a leash on it.
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Got the goods from APC.com on the pay and such, but I'm interested in hearing from anyone flying there as to how they like it? How is the relationship of the pilots with the management? Is the operation coming together?
Any insight is appreciated.
Any insight is appreciated.
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I'll give you some sound advice on Skybus Airlines. You can take everything that Albotross says with the bitter grain of salt that he is still sucking on. He has left and yet still has Skybus on his sholder.....that sadly happens to all of us when we leave Bitter and with resentment. Skybus is not for everyone....that is for sure.
I can tell you that since I've worked here (Skybus), our relationship with Management is like a relationship with a red-headed stepchild. You know some day you will have to spank them....and you know that you will probably enjoy it. They change work rules to suit them, lied about our pay (only for the first 60 pilots, the rest they told the truth to....sorta), and continue to avert any of our concerns that will cost them $$. Sounds like a normal airline doesnt it? A Union probably will get voted in if the pay does not increase......no sooner than when we go public.
Bottom line. Most of us here came because of the hope of sucess. This model is a hybred of SWA and Ryanair in Europe....with the stock, there is is small chance that we can have good retirememnts; ask yourself if your A fund will be around in 15 years non the less 25?
Aviaition is nothing like it use to be...the pay, retirement, work rules and TAFB suck! At Skybus I am home every night....what is that worth if you have young kids? You might not like it here, you can take your Type and leave....as some do. For now, I get to do what I love to do and be home as well.
Average CPT are making $65K-$78K dependant on how much you want to work. I've seen $90K advertised as average pay...that is a flat out lie! Some Check airmen and people that work in the office are making that but they are few. The regular Joe is as stated $65 for sitting on your a%% AND $78 for the regular line pilot that want to make extra.
Average F/O is making 30K-40K and that is a fact as well.
Got to run.....have lots more for later.
Hope this helps.
. He has left and yet still has Skybus on his sholder.....that sadly happens to all of us when we leave Bitter and with resentment. Skybus is not for everyone....that is for sure.I can tell you that since I've worked here (Skybus), our relationship with Management is like a relationship with a red-headed stepchild. You know some day you will have to spank them....and you know that you will probably enjoy it. They change work rules to suit them, lied about our pay (only for the first 60 pilots, the rest they told the truth to....sorta), and continue to avert any of our concerns that will cost them $$. Sounds like a normal airline doesnt it? A Union probably will get voted in if the pay does not increase......no sooner than when we go public.
Bottom line. Most of us here came because of the hope of sucess. This model is a hybred of SWA and Ryanair in Europe....with the stock, there is is small chance that we can have good retirememnts; ask yourself if your A fund will be around in 15 years non the less 25?
Aviaition is nothing like it use to be...the pay, retirement, work rules and TAFB suck! At Skybus I am home every night....what is that worth if you have young kids? You might not like it here, you can take your Type and leave....as some do. For now, I get to do what I love to do and be home as well.
Average CPT are making $65K-$78K dependant on how much you want to work. I've seen $90K advertised as average pay...that is a flat out lie! Some Check airmen and people that work in the office are making that but they are few. The regular Joe is as stated $65 for sitting on your a%% AND $78 for the regular line pilot that want to make extra.
Average F/O is making 30K-40K and that is a fact as well.
Got to run.....have lots more for later.
Hope this helps.
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Every flight I've seen has been either full or almost full. I'm in class now and so far all I have to say is "so far, so good"
The pay thing will get sorted out over the short run by the free market I'm sure..
The pay thing will get sorted out over the short run by the free market I'm sure..
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Yes, Skybus's operation is big enough. To understand what is going on here. Go and look at the Ryanair model and you will have a good understanding of what Skybus is doing. Our loads factors are on average 80% or more.
Chatanooga is not a pilot base GSO is. As far as if it will be one.....who knows. New destinations are comming.
We will get 1 new 319 every month for 60 months starting Jan. 09; you dont do things like this, or get the financing, unless you have a plan and the investors know it will make them money!
You can know that we will start some routes and they will not work.....then again some will.
Chatanooga is not a pilot base GSO is. As far as if it will be one.....who knows. New destinations are comming.
We will get 1 new 319 every month for 60 months starting Jan. 09; you dont do things like this, or get the financing, unless you have a plan and the investors know it will make them money!
You can know that we will start some routes and they will not work.....then again some will.
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""""""The pay thing will get sorted out over the short run by the free market I'm sure..""""""""""
Either us going public or the union will. Sadly this is what every airline has problems doing........treating and paying there employees properly. You will see once you get off OE and get a feel of what's going on here.
Either us going public or the union will. Sadly this is what every airline has problems doing........treating and paying there employees properly. You will see once you get off OE and get a feel of what's going on here.
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Sorry, meant Greensboro not Chatanooga.
I am very familiar with the Ryanain model as well as the original Southwest, the precursor PSA model, the jetBlue model and even the updated Southwest model.
They are all dependent on O&D traffic as well as an interest for the passengers to want to travel from point A and point B.
Southwest suceeded initialy suceeded by linking major metropolitan areas with inner city airports. The got past that mode with the momentum and size that they gained. Half of their business now is probably connecting.
Ryanair links tourist destinations that are a bus ride away. Their business model and website are point to point oriented. That appears to be the case for skybus.
As I doubt that most Americans would want to take a bus for 50 miles or rent a car for that distance, I cannot not see how the Columbusites (or whatever they call themselves) will be able to keep all the flights full, and the Ryanair business model is highly dependent of extremely high load factors.
This seems like WP all over again.
I am very familiar with the Ryanain model as well as the original Southwest, the precursor PSA model, the jetBlue model and even the updated Southwest model.
They are all dependent on O&D traffic as well as an interest for the passengers to want to travel from point A and point B.
Southwest suceeded initialy suceeded by linking major metropolitan areas with inner city airports. The got past that mode with the momentum and size that they gained. Half of their business now is probably connecting.
Ryanair links tourist destinations that are a bus ride away. Their business model and website are point to point oriented. That appears to be the case for skybus.
As I doubt that most Americans would want to take a bus for 50 miles or rent a car for that distance, I cannot not see how the Columbusites (or whatever they call themselves) will be able to keep all the flights full, and the Ryanair business model is highly dependent of extremely high load factors.
This seems like WP all over again.
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Think about this: KCMH-KBLI (for example).
Large metro areas surrounding...SEA, PAE to the south and CVIC to the North. All withing decent driving distances.
Skybus tickets are from $10 to the average (I think $80). That is 40% cheaper than any other airline. AND some of our fares are 60-80% cheaper.
SO...you have a family of 4 (wife, husband and 2 kids):
80+40%=$112 on other carriers vs. $80/person on Skybus
112*4=448 (and I've seen more expensive tickets elseware)
80*4=320
I've personally talked to paX that have saved $1200 on tickets by flying on us.
you have to rent a car anyway when you travel dont you?
no connections at a hub.
Your luggage doesnt get lost
parking fees are cheaper at smaller airports
security lines are shorter and easy to get through
you dont have to be at the airport 4 hour prior to your flight..
Less stress on you and your family
NO FLOW or ground stop.
little to No holding
Direct routiing
Most say'd SWA wasnt going to make it....look at them now.
Do you get it?
I can only say what I see.........80-95% full airplanes (every day)....new destinations...new pilot bases.....airports paying Skybus to come and operate at their airport (when has that ever happened)....60 new 319 comming (firm)....growth that no airline in the US has ever had (including SWA).....
It's not for everyone but I can honestly tell you that it is working and we are selling tickets (90,000 in the first 24 hours of our operations). Something is happening.......who knows if it will last?????????????
Now to get the Pilot pay fixed!
Respectfully written.
Think about this: KCMH-KBLI (for example).
Large metro areas surrounding...SEA, PAE to the south and CVIC to the North. All withing decent driving distances.
Skybus tickets are from $10 to the average (I think $80). That is 40% cheaper than any other airline. AND some of our fares are 60-80% cheaper.
SO...you have a family of 4 (wife, husband and 2 kids):
80+40%=$112 on other carriers vs. $80/person on Skybus
112*4=448 (and I've seen more expensive tickets elseware)
80*4=320
I've personally talked to paX that have saved $1200 on tickets by flying on us.
you have to rent a car anyway when you travel dont you?
no connections at a hub.
Your luggage doesnt get lost
parking fees are cheaper at smaller airports
security lines are shorter and easy to get through
you dont have to be at the airport 4 hour prior to your flight..
Less stress on you and your family
NO FLOW or ground stop.
little to No holding
Direct routiing
Most say'd SWA wasnt going to make it....look at them now.
Do you get it?
I can only say what I see.........80-95% full airplanes (every day)....new destinations...new pilot bases.....airports paying Skybus to come and operate at their airport (when has that ever happened)....60 new 319 comming (firm)....growth that no airline in the US has ever had (including SWA).....
It's not for everyone but I can honestly tell you that it is working and we are selling tickets (90,000 in the first 24 hours of our operations). Something is happening.......who knows if it will last?????????????
Now to get the Pilot pay fixed!
Respectfully written.
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Something is happening.......who knows if it will last?????????????
One thing though: What are your RASM/CASM figures like? After all, its not the full planes that keep you going but a positive RASM-CASM.
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Thanks, for a respectful post. I'll post better numbers when I get them. Our CMH-BLI service is being canceled on Jan 5th because they've decided that they can use the AC better in another area. I've heard talk about seasonal service to BLI when we get more AC.