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Hello, I'm an Italian boy and I'm going to try the pilot career in USA.
Does someone know how is the job chance situation USA by now?
Excuse for my bad English.
Thank you
Bye
ACIDO
Does someone know how is the job chance situation USA by now?
Excuse for my bad English.
Thank you
Bye
ACIDO
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yes its pretty bad right now. of the six major airlines, 2 are in bankruptcy (united, us airways), 1 is on the verge of bankruptcy (delta) and the other three are still losing money (american, continental, northwest).
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If you find an American gal to marry you can obtain the right to work in the USA.
Chances are you could find a job instructing at a school catering to European students. From there apply to some cargo outfits and maybe a few regionals and see what happens.
We have a couple of Italian nationals where I work (large US regional airline).
Ciao!
Chances are you could find a job instructing at a school catering to European students. From there apply to some cargo outfits and maybe a few regionals and see what happens.
We have a couple of Italian nationals where I work (large US regional airline).
Ciao!
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Dont be discouraged Italy....
If youre an entry level pilot (commercial/ATP 1000-2000 hours TT) the regionals are still hiring a lot! These positions are not being filled by the furloughed main line pilots. A lot of them either go on contracts in Asia/Europe or have left the industry for a better life and more money than the regionals are offering.
Currently hiring are:
Colgan SF430/Be1900
Skywest CRJ/Emb120
ExpressJet ERJ/ATR42-72
Great Lakes Emb120/Be1900
Southwest B737
America West B737/A320/B757
American Eagle (suprisingly) SF340/ERJ/ATR/ CRJ (i think)
NetJets (fractionals corporate jets, citations to Gv etc)
Ameriflight (cargo Pa31/B99/Caravan/Emb120/Metro)
Cape Air airlines c402
Kalitta Air (747 classic)
Big Sky (b1900/metro)
Some of these are pretty small potatos both others have several hundred aircraft EACH....like American Eagle Express Jet, Skywest Southwest etc...
Good luck....no matter what Americans say it is still light years ahead of what the rest of the world has to offer. Go for it.
PS Ive spent the last 7 years flying in the US and all of the oportunities ive seen in the last 12 months travelling the rest of the world picking up odd flying jobs even come close to the opportunities still available in the US
PM me if you have any Q's
Brindabella
If youre an entry level pilot (commercial/ATP 1000-2000 hours TT) the regionals are still hiring a lot! These positions are not being filled by the furloughed main line pilots. A lot of them either go on contracts in Asia/Europe or have left the industry for a better life and more money than the regionals are offering.
Currently hiring are:
Colgan SF430/Be1900
Skywest CRJ/Emb120
ExpressJet ERJ/ATR42-72
Great Lakes Emb120/Be1900
Southwest B737
America West B737/A320/B757
American Eagle (suprisingly) SF340/ERJ/ATR/ CRJ (i think)
NetJets (fractionals corporate jets, citations to Gv etc)
Ameriflight (cargo Pa31/B99/Caravan/Emb120/Metro)
Cape Air airlines c402
Kalitta Air (747 classic)
Big Sky (b1900/metro)
Some of these are pretty small potatos both others have several hundred aircraft EACH....like American Eagle Express Jet, Skywest Southwest etc...
Good luck....no matter what Americans say it is still light years ahead of what the rest of the world has to offer. Go for it.
PS Ive spent the last 7 years flying in the US and all of the oportunities ive seen in the last 12 months travelling the rest of the world picking up odd flying jobs even come close to the opportunities still available in the US
PM me if you have any Q's
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thats fantastic there are so many opportunitiies in the states.....pity nobody wants to give you a job though.
Got my ATP for a month now,3000tt and sent out >100 resumes, got about 5 no thanks....
yeah, great
Got my ATP for a month now,3000tt and sent out >100 resumes, got about 5 no thanks....
yeah, great
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if I amy suggest, due to the environment there is a lot of qualified pilots on the streets unemployeed, so this makes even the commuters average qualifications higher than normal.
Without being so, become a pest and let them really know your are interested in the job
I would call twice a month
Without being so, become a pest and let them really know your are interested in the job
I would call twice a month
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really, the starting career options in the states now are very good.
there are many regionals that are hiring, and the minimums are getting very low, similar to that of before 9-11.
flight instructors are also in demand as people are quickly moving to the regionals.
the short term outlook for the majors is poor. the retirements should really open things up in a few years, but the u.s. airlines are in bad shape, and it isn't getting better. even the once rosey outlook for the discount carriers is becomming a tad tarnised.
the problem you face is your status. airlines are now very resistant to hire non-green card holders since the requirements and work that must be done concerning the work status. green card holders only seem to have minor problems with this.
also, you need to send and re-send applications. call the human resources department and find out what they are looking for. so call, and send, and re-send, and call.... most regionals like this - they want to see ambition. a few don't. skywest some years ago used to be of the opinion 'we will call you'.
there are many regionals that are hiring, and the minimums are getting very low, similar to that of before 9-11.
flight instructors are also in demand as people are quickly moving to the regionals.
the short term outlook for the majors is poor. the retirements should really open things up in a few years, but the u.s. airlines are in bad shape, and it isn't getting better. even the once rosey outlook for the discount carriers is becomming a tad tarnised.
the problem you face is your status. airlines are now very resistant to hire non-green card holders since the requirements and work that must be done concerning the work status. green card holders only seem to have minor problems with this.
also, you need to send and re-send applications. call the human resources department and find out what they are looking for. so call, and send, and re-send, and call.... most regionals like this - they want to see ambition. a few don't. skywest some years ago used to be of the opinion 'we will call you'.
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It seems 121 Carriers will only hire Green Card foreigners. They will not accept a work permit, well, the Co. I work for wouldnt.
Expect to fill in a background check form for the Dept of Justice to run thorough background check on you. Takes 45 days and you will need to show up in person to be fingerprinted. It's hard being a non citizen here if you want to fly for a regional or bigger.
WP
Expect to fill in a background check form for the Dept of Justice to run thorough background check on you. Takes 45 days and you will need to show up in person to be fingerprinted. It's hard being a non citizen here if you want to fly for a regional or bigger.
WP
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Out of curiosity does anyone know if the TT requirements come down for the regionals if there is more multi than single in the TT.
BTW - I had heard of someone who recently got a right seat in a corporate HS125-800 at 400TT. Probably a statistical aberration, put proves it is possible.
Tsuana
BTW - I had heard of someone who recently got a right seat in a corporate HS125-800 at 400TT. Probably a statistical aberration, put proves it is possible.
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Skaz....
What's up? It's v.k. from the Delta. Last time we talked (via email) I think we may have had a misunderstanding which fed into some anger. Anyway, I'm sorry for my part...it's been so long that I don't really remember it anyway. I've been a captain on the Saab 340B for a couple of years now. PM me. I may be able to help you out with a job in the near future. By the way, what are you doing in the States?
Cheers,
v.
What's up? It's v.k. from the Delta. Last time we talked (via email) I think we may have had a misunderstanding which fed into some anger. Anyway, I'm sorry for my part...it's been so long that I don't really remember it anyway. I've been a captain on the Saab 340B for a couple of years now. PM me. I may be able to help you out with a job in the near future. By the way, what are you doing in the States?
Cheers,
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I am a Canadian citizen. I also have all the Commercial, MIFR stuff done (the licences are fresh off the printing press, 250TT). I could convert my licence in no time. How hard would it be for me to obtain work in the USA? How much paperwork?
The jobs here aren't great either, so I'm looking for a place where finding work is easier.
The jobs here aren't great either, so I'm looking for a place where finding work is easier.
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cheers
Sonic Zepplin , stratoduck ,Wanikiba_pilot, thanks a lot for the info and advice, right now I'm in sunny South Africa sitting on the beach (had to take a break, not working is hard work!)
Ive got a few leads, nothing concrete and will follow up on all of then when Iget backto VA.
Wanikiba_pilot I have the work permit , and should be getting the green card soon, might even be there when i get back to USA.
sunbird hiya, vk, I pm'ed you....
Ive got a few leads, nothing concrete and will follow up on all of then when Iget backto VA.
Wanikiba_pilot I have the work permit , and should be getting the green card soon, might even be there when i get back to USA.
sunbird hiya, vk, I pm'ed you....
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I see that a lot of the regionals are hiring.
After many many many applications sent out, got a few replies, but no bites.
Anybody out there got hired or at least positive info from the regionals? or anyone else for that matter?
After many many many applications sent out, got a few replies, but no bites.
Anybody out there got hired or at least positive info from the regionals? or anyone else for that matter?
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OK Boy's and Girls,
Ya'll are livin in La La land if you think things are good in aviation in the STATES.
Things are not good if you are anything BUT entry level.
Try looking for a job that pays anything above poverty level, if you have some experience in A/C that the so called airlines are offering to pilots now.
I am not being pesimistic, but realistic.
If you are lucky enough to be employed by Southwest, AirTran, or JetBlue, maybe things will be OK. MAYBE!!!
But then you start all over again at wages that WAL Mart pays. And remember we are the professionals that the public wants and expects, when they get their butts on the A/C that WE fly to get them home, or work.
For you guy's that are entry level, please do not think I am dispariging the comitment to your profession, I have just been there and done that.
I want things to be better, I am just old enough to know that no matter what you as an individual do to make things better, it's not enough if the rest of the group does not play along.
Everyone for him(her)self and forget about the rest.
Divide and conquer!
Rember "Business is War"
OK enough BS!
Just rember, the job you take today, is the job you loose tomorrow.
Just my $0.02
Sorry that should be "lose" not loose
Ya'll are livin in La La land if you think things are good in aviation in the STATES.
Things are not good if you are anything BUT entry level.
Try looking for a job that pays anything above poverty level, if you have some experience in A/C that the so called airlines are offering to pilots now.
I am not being pesimistic, but realistic.
If you are lucky enough to be employed by Southwest, AirTran, or JetBlue, maybe things will be OK. MAYBE!!!
But then you start all over again at wages that WAL Mart pays. And remember we are the professionals that the public wants and expects, when they get their butts on the A/C that WE fly to get them home, or work.
For you guy's that are entry level, please do not think I am dispariging the comitment to your profession, I have just been there and done that.
I want things to be better, I am just old enough to know that no matter what you as an individual do to make things better, it's not enough if the rest of the group does not play along.
Everyone for him(her)self and forget about the rest.
Divide and conquer!
Rember "Business is War"
OK enough BS!
Just rember, the job you take today, is the job you loose tomorrow.
Just my $0.02
Sorry that should be "lose" not loose
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Well, well well.....
Mr.767 I'm glad you put in that comment about your 2cents worth at the bottom of your post because thats about as much as your post is worth.
Let me guess! You drive an AA 767 based in Miami and your wages have been slashed to shreads and youre about as mad as hell. So you should be. But just thank Christ almighty that your whining ass isnt strapped to a 767 in Asia, Europe or near about anywhere else in the world. The Jet Blue's and especially the Southwests of Europe certainly arent making what you Americans are. How about you try and live on commuter wages while flying a 737 for Air Asia. No matter how bad you think your sorry ass has it in the land of milk and honey there chief, it aint anywhere near as bad as most other aviators around the world. Pull your head in.
I have done my share of flighting the degradation of wages and conditions both in the US and abroad. I dont like it any more than you do. But here we have a young Italian guy whos weighing up the choice to take a shot at a job in Aviation Mecca....the good ol US of A. Now if you really werent so friggin selfish maybe you should encourage these guys and THANK them for seeking a turboprop job for $30-40k rather than the 737 job in Asia for the same money that you know as well as I do brings down the price of pilots globally.
Things arent that rosey up your end of the industry there chief and it sucks ass that all you legacy carriers are getting raped. Take it out on those that are raping you...cos right now these guys coming to the states and taking advantage of very healthy regional and corporate sectors are doing you a favour!
Just try and be a little bit positive.....we all know the risks of loosing our jobs...there are those that have been furloughed and those that will...thankfully I have been through 1 furlough already so I only have 2 to go.....
Divide and concour....business is war.....how does that help our young Italian friend????
MJB
Mr.767 I'm glad you put in that comment about your 2cents worth at the bottom of your post because thats about as much as your post is worth.
Let me guess! You drive an AA 767 based in Miami and your wages have been slashed to shreads and youre about as mad as hell. So you should be. But just thank Christ almighty that your whining ass isnt strapped to a 767 in Asia, Europe or near about anywhere else in the world. The Jet Blue's and especially the Southwests of Europe certainly arent making what you Americans are. How about you try and live on commuter wages while flying a 737 for Air Asia. No matter how bad you think your sorry ass has it in the land of milk and honey there chief, it aint anywhere near as bad as most other aviators around the world. Pull your head in.
I have done my share of flighting the degradation of wages and conditions both in the US and abroad. I dont like it any more than you do. But here we have a young Italian guy whos weighing up the choice to take a shot at a job in Aviation Mecca....the good ol US of A. Now if you really werent so friggin selfish maybe you should encourage these guys and THANK them for seeking a turboprop job for $30-40k rather than the 737 job in Asia for the same money that you know as well as I do brings down the price of pilots globally.
Things arent that rosey up your end of the industry there chief and it sucks ass that all you legacy carriers are getting raped. Take it out on those that are raping you...cos right now these guys coming to the states and taking advantage of very healthy regional and corporate sectors are doing you a favour!
Just try and be a little bit positive.....we all know the risks of loosing our jobs...there are those that have been furloughed and those that will...thankfully I have been through 1 furlough already so I only have 2 to go.....
Divide and concour....business is war.....how does that help our young Italian friend????
MJB
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