--->Nick Figaretto
Is it your number on the combined seniority list that is used when they decide who's next for transfer to SAS? I always thought it was the 'internal' SC seniority list that was used. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

--->Hung start

I believe the order now is for 12 A321-200, 3 A330-300 and 7 A340-300 (first delivery July 2001) with options for an additional 7 A330/340.

Pheeew, my first posting on pprune.

Hung Start: Ok, thanks. Couldn´t remember so much on that side. Yep, the freight is there, much of it in the belly of your MD80 :) I belive Lufthansa had more, shall we say "know how" on the freight business and started flying out GOT using their cargofleet (MD11..??) And as said earlyer, one aircraft is not enough. If SAS should have gotten a pice of that market, they should (it is allways easy to say what they should have done) have startet much sooner. Korean Air Cargo, started flying Seoul-CPH on DC10's, 14 days later it was MD11, and about 1-2 later it was 747. SIA have their routes CPH- Shanghai useing 744. And it is ALLWAYS full...!!

Semper paratus:

The combined seniority list is used when bidding from SC to SAS. The "old" SC seniority list is only used for strictly inside purposes, ex. aircraft bidding within SC, base biddings, etc. Even FC courses within SC is following the combined seniority list, so that F/Os from SAS that bid FC in SC get their right seniority.

But either way: When you have been in SC for four years, and SAS takes say 56 pilots from SC each year, you would still have about the same number of SC pilots in front of you, no matter which seniority list was being used.

Nick

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Once again, thanks for taking the time to reply.
Well, in that case, keeping my fingers crossed, I look forward to that sleek sexy one.... :)
Hung, I can imagine that's the one you're on. Are you on the 80 or 90, or is it a same rating?

KADS,

I´m on both. Everybody who gets rated on the MD80, will also see MD90 in their certificate, but internal SAS rules say, that you´ll have to fly the MD80 for (I believe) 1 year, before you can check on on the MD90. You bid (or antibid) the MD90, and if you go on it, it´s a 2 day transitioncourse. Not THAT many fly it, as we´ve only got 8. (Let´s hope for more)

Have you got any date yet, or just any idea of when we could see you there..?



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Well Hung, if everything goes according to plans, I'll have the pleasure of joining in the end of October, based in CPH. Am awaiting my results from the medical examination which I understand is the final step.
BTW, are you not moving over to the 'Bus then, like you say most of the MD folks seem to be doing?
About getting more MD90's, I read somewhere that SAS were in negotiation with a US major over an additional 6 or 7 but they failed to secure the deal. So SAS is in fact looking for more then or what is the official say on that? I thought all the MD:s would be phased out with 'Buses and 73:s taking their place?

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KADS,

I didn´t mean to say that most MD pilots are moving over, just that many will. But there´s still an awful lot of people on that type. (The MD80/90 group of pilots, just at CPH base, is larger than at all of Maersk Air.
Many choose to stay, since it is a very good airplane to fly, and probably with the most varied route structure of any aircraft in our part of the world.

In the (maybe naive??) thinking that we could fly combined long/shorthaul, I bid the Airbus too. But now, I´m not really in a hurry to move, since I think that this "combined flying" thing maynot materialize. For several reasons!
But we´ll see. When I go, I don´t know. Beginning of next year maybe. Thats the thing in SAS too. You´ll probably just find out when they put the course start date in your "future schedule"!!

oh, the MD´s are not meant to be phased out in the near future. Airbus´es are a pure expansion, not to replace anything. And 737 are replacing DC9 and F28. Sure, they are also taking over some MD routes, but we now have more than 50 737´s, and no MD´s have (or are) going out. (except the old, leased DC9-80 from Swissair)
Good luck with the medical, hope to see you in oct. then!!

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KADS, just so you know: you don´t bid for your base, you get based in the country you get hired. Once there you´re stuck, with virtually no chance of transferring. However, it has little or no influence on other bid matters.

For some reason at this airline nobody tells you anything when you´re a newhire.

Flathatter, just as a matter of discussion, when I went through the interview session which was last Oct, I did that in Stockholm, being Swedish. I was questioned which base I'd prefer if I'd be hired and responded CPH. I was then told that I ought to be really certain on which base I choose because you can only change ONCE. At least that's what I was told then. Maybe that has changed. I'm very happy with my choice anyway. :)

Hung, Interesting that you mention that combined short/long haul for Airbus pilots, 'cause at the interviews we were told that that's how it was going to be. But that has changed now you're saying? And how is the bidding when it comes to the bus. Do you bid A340/A330 as one bid or is it going to be differentiated as flying one or the other? And who is going to be flying the SAS/BMI A330 going to New York? Is it SAS F/O:s with that BMI Skipper or is SAS skippers flying in the RHS for A/C induction? (A little off the subject I know but it's just interesting to get an insight)
The whole way that BMI deal works is very curious... I heard that the start of that may be slightly delayed.
Anyway, great to hear that the MD fleet will remain, and thanks for all of your interesting answers....

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KADS,

Yes, combined short/long is still the intention. But the A340/330 (of which only 10 are ordered and 7 options, I believe) already have assigned co-pilots + some co-pilots that will start out as relief pilots. Now, with so few airplanes, and SAS and authorities not knowing yet, if a short/longhaul pilot will need 4 PFT´s (sorry, OPC/PC) a year, will it be worth the trouble?????? And if they decide to go for it, how many co-pilots will actually get the chance, considering the relatively few legs, that a longhaul airplane flies???
I know that it is still the intention, but I´d like to see it before I believe it. Many think along these lines.

If you´d like the "combined thing" as a co-pilot, you have to bid: FO A321, and then intention is that later on, (min. 1 year on A321), you should be checked out as relief on the biggies!! Pilots bidding A340/330, are bidding co-pilot positions on those, and will not be eligable for combined flying. Just the longhaul stuff.

Last I heard was, that BMI A330 is starting in may, and that the Capt. is BMI, and rest of crew,incl. cabin crew, is SAS.. Flying on BMI SOP´s.
So SAS pilots have placed bid´s for the RHS only, but some SAS skippers have bid that seat as well, to get some experience!!!!!
Again, seniority rules!!!

Hung,

Sorry to reply to something you wrote a while back, but concerning that B747 cargo ops out of GOT, I heard it was sold to LH Cargo (so they are still doing it) I have also seen a polar air cargo (or was it Atlas) B747 working out of GOT for Finnair.

As far as the value of cargo, my airline sent an A330 from Shannon to JFK the other day, no pax, only cargo [ad hoc], and they made more money on that flight than they would have if it was filled with 340 pax!

The word I have on CCQ is that initially it seems like a good idea, but that more and more airlines are going away from it. You'd think that they'd achieve more flexibility on the roster, but as far as I understand it is more expensive. Plus you need to do 4 PC's (PFT's) a year.

Midland is a funny story. Wonder who is really in charge on that A330 (SK901/SK902)? To make things a little easier, they are using one of their Star Alliance painted A330s, so to Joe Blow the pax, he won't tell a difference. Heard the SK B767 crews were delighted though, 901/902 is the worst duty on their roster!

Don't know about flight deck but I know for sure that it's a great deal for the cabin crew....

Dick,

LH are, as far as I understand, wet leased to do do the cargo run out of GOT, that SAS did with a dry leased Atlas 747..

The BM story, well I´d think that operating under BM SOP´s, the BM captain is in charge, as any SAS captain would be on his ship. Now, the BM captain would of course deal with SAS rules on the ground; gatepersonel, loadcrew, redcaps, etc. and these guys will take control away from any captain if he´s not really careful :) :)
No no, only joking!!