SAS recruitment
 

We have just been informed that SAS will recruit 40 new pilots during the spring. So for those of you who are interested; update your application.

is it rehirings of people they kicked out earlier or newcomers?

It seems like they expect all to be newcomers. The re-hiring is almost complete, and those who have the right to one last offer of re-hiring is not expected to accept. 11-12 years since they left SAS, and all captains far up on their new seniority lists in their new airline makes it unlikely according to the recruitment dept....

What fleets will they recruit onto? what kind of background do they expect? will they recruit for the 737?

CRJ900 in CPH and B737 in OSL and STO. More info about background requirements here:

More info here: http://www.flysas.com/en/SAS-Pilot/SAS-Pilot/

I don't know if i have the balls to leave my current employer. SAS would be great but uncertain, I'm in a safe boat today with not too much experience on the type but I miss the scandi ladies :8:8:8

The only thing that is sure is that the probability that we make a wrong decision is huge...! You probably know what you should have done when you retire... :-) Good luck!

Does anyone have any update on the new T&C for the newjoiners?

After the last famous concessions; appr kr.350-440.000/year, depending on regional or main terms. For both; work pattern 5-4/5-3 fixed, og 175 days off per year in variable.

That's not bad. How fast do you climb the salary ladder?

Average 20.000 per year as a FP (som years less, some years more), until top after 24 year. Big step when moving from regional to main (ref diff in start salary), since you earn full seniority in main also if you start in regional. Add appr 200´ for captains.

Do all new pilots start on the CRJ, or do some start on 737s?

As mentioned above: CPH; CRJ900, OSL and STO; B737. Appr same amount of pilots reqd on each base.

Great. Thanks! Application updated :)

Good news for many I suppose..

Do you know how you will be bonded should you be offered a job?

There is absolutely no bonding in SAS.

The site says preference is given to people with solid multicrew experience. I wonder if they will look for people with time on type. Or do they prefer to train people from scratch with their own procedures?

As with many other legacy airlines, this one is very top heavy when it comes to seniority. Meaning in 10-15 years virtually everybody employed there will be retired. That in turn means a new hire today will skyrocket to the top of the list after a relatively short while and remain there for a significant part of his career.
If you are under 40, and you believe the airline will stay in business for the duration, you can look forward to being king of the hill for the final 10-20 years of your career.

And in 10 years time the demographics will be turned upside down, with the legacy carrier having the young employees, and their loco competitor the aging ones (except of course they will long since have been forced out by their contract brethren, but that´s another thread).

I do not think that they are looking for pilots with experience on spesific types, but if you have a rating, I think the new procedure is that you only get at sim transition to SAS procedures with an OPC, and not the whole course.

Well - 40 slots...? SAS is planning to recruit 40 new pilots during the spring, and I guess everyone can apply as long as the requirements are fulfilled...

Is the website going to open for new applications then or is it just for updating the existing ones since the last round?

I just received information about recruitment of 40 pilots in a pilot meeting with our chief pilots a week ago, and know no more details. The recruitment organization should be up and running by the end of jan though, so i suppose there will be some updates in not too long time.

Thank you for your prompt and informative responses SK-pilot.

Takk så mye!

Er der noget nyt mht. rekrutteringen af de her 40 nye? Er de begyndt at kalde folk til samtale? Og tager de kun de folk med den rigtige rating først?

Any contacts or email address to send application.
In the SAS web page there are no info about pilot recruitment

they closed the applicationform a year or so ago. Now you can only update it

Hey. Any news regarding recruitting of 40 new guys? Did the contact potentiel candidates yet? And last but not least, are the only taking in people with the rigtht rating?

Fw: SAS recruitment
 

Gates are open, but only for previously laid off Scandinavians;

SAS Group SAS Airline Operations - Former SAS pilots

Good luck !

Are there that many former SAS pilots that wants to return?

I heard that 300 SAS pilots had applied for 50 positions with Ethiad! Don't know if this is true, but if so, it seems very interesting with regards to SAS future!

SAS do not expect many (probably none) of the previously laid off pilots to apply. The ones that wanted to return (some hundred) have already been re-hired, and the very few remaining have been captains with other airlines for the last 10-12 years, and are probably not very interested in starting at the bottom again. But due to legislations and agreements, SAS has to ask the laid off ones one last time before they can start new-hires. This is the last round where laid off pilots will get an offer.

Regarding Etihad; this is partially true: There are no limit in the number of pilots Etihad need, but appr 250-300 pilots from SAS have shown interest in the Etihad deal. SAS says it can accept max 50 pilots to leave for Etihad during 2013. Etihad would like to have everyone.

In addition there are appr 60 pilots who managed to apply for early retirement before this option closed down as a part of the 19th nov "crisis agreement". So a total of 110 pilots will leave SAS during 2013, in addition to our normal retirements.

The new agreements will reduce this number a bit though, but 40 new hires during 2013 is a very conservative number - it will probably double. I have no dates, but I expect that it will take one more month or so before SAS can conclude that all laid off pilots have denied their last offer of re-employment, and can start hiring external pilots again.

Recruitment
 

Evening,

Some of the pilots laid-off in 2003 will return, not very many, maybe between 10 and 20?? That would be my guess.....

There is no doubt that the company is very eager to get through the 2003 pilots so that we can start to hire off the street. We just have to offer the last interested 2003 pilots a job and then the first newhires will probably be interviewed. Sometime this year I think.

The previously mentioned number of 110 or so of retirements this year corresponds to what I have heard. That means that we will have to hire this year, there is no doubt about it. Unless of course we reduce flying hours because of the cost of fuel, terror or some other unforeseen happenings.

Another exciting year in aviation awaits us I am sure,

Regards,

Ramrise

But if someone has a safe job, will they want to join SAS?

Isn't that the same reason many wants to leave SAS, as many feel it is a sinking ship?

That 300 SK pilots wants to leave, does not give a very good impression of the companies long term stability!

Also, for any new hires, are they willing to stick around for so many years, without a chance of LHS upgrade for maybe 10 - 20 years?

I mean for me it is a very sad situation SAS are in, as it used to be the company anybody from Scandinavia wanted to work for, not it seems people are trying to escape them!

A bit like the Titanic! I hope I am wrong.

Well - I have given my interest for Etihad - just in case... I am though almost 100% sure I will not take it. Showing interest is quite far from "wanting to leave"...!

And to the future; Neither me nor you know what it will bring, and I have no idea where you get the 10-20 years from. It may as well be Norwegian og Air Berlin that goes belly up. Everyone should do what they feel is right for them. In 30 years or so they will know if it was a smart move...

Exactly, intelligent is "appearing" to get it right today. . . really intelligent is looking back in years to come & finding you DID actually get it right.

Or maybe that is just "lucky".

Better to be born lucky than smart ! :rolleyes:

I started with SAS in 2000. Still remember my first day at work in CPH when the Base Captain said to us "Welcome to your first day, at your last job"!!! Thought to myself "Think I just made the best decision I´ve ever made". Three years later I was desperately looking for a new job since I had received my letter from SAS terminating my employment. Couple of days ago I received a mail with the new pay scale and T/C´s. What a way to welcome you back. 14000 DKK less pr. month than I had 10 years ago and working more. Obviously SAS is trying to survive in a hostile environment and they have already done the maths and figured out that they are better off without someone like me returning. However to you that has a decent job even if it is not with a airline as "prestige" as SAS - think twice before giving it up and handing your career into the hands of SAS. Pilots are leaving SAS and former pilots saying NO to coming back. For me, I found out couple of years after I "left" SAS, that there is a life after SAS and if I would have been able to see where SAS was heading, before joining them, I would have been happy enjoying my life before SAS as well. I hope that SAS survives and will become what they once were, but I have my doubts as the endless pit they are stuck in just seems to get deeper and deeper :ugh:

What is the new salary currently on offer?

Thanks for sharing Gur :-)

It would be interesting to know, who they will look for when taking new ones in (age, Type Rated, fighter pilots who wants to leave for a civ job, airline pilots , or?).
And also who will go for a job like this if they are already in a well paid job high on seniorlist and so on.

Career prospects
 

Are the career prospects better in an expanding company(airline) or one that's stagnant or downsizing?

Join us in the Middle East boys and girls. Check out the aircraft orders for EK, EY AND QR. while you're at it check out the orders for SAS.

Housing allowance alone is more than the salary in SAS.:E

The average take home pay after per diems, taxes etc every month seems to be around €2500-€2700. :( increases by a couple of hundred per year in the company though. Even the NAS-contracts pays significantly better. But on the other hand, I'm not sure if a NAS-contractor get's paid annual leave, pension etc.

Are you serious? 2500 - 2700 Euros a month???

I mean whoever is bashing RYR and other Low Co companies, must be having a joke, this is for me pretty amazing. The living cost in Scandinavia is probably 30% higher than most of Europe!

Get rid of some of the pencil pushers, and few other money wasters, but this for me indicates the end of SAS, if true, who would want join them?

Specially because you might never get upgrade, and as soon as they don't need you, out you go!
FO's at RYR make that or more in a bad month! If true, SAS have to be offering one of the worst deals on the market! Would be interesting if somebody could confirm this!

Well I know, renting an apartment in Oslo will cost you + 10.000 kroner, and the cost of living is very high!

Yes I can't see people storming back to SAS with such conditions on offer, specially knowing that you will probably wait at least 10 years or more to get into the LHS!

Beyond a joke!