Finnish ATPL
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Finnish ATPL
I'm thinking of coming to Finland to do my JAA ATPL exams. I thought, insted of dropping 800 pounds to the British CAA, why not spend it to visit Finland and have the exams free of charge?
My question, are they split into 2 sessions (like in the UK)?
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My question, are they split into 2 sessions (like in the UK)?
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I have no slightest idea if they are slitted to what but why don't you check www.ilmailulaitos.com, local CAA.
I have converted national ATPL to JAR-FCL and test tooked about two hours.
I have converted national ATPL to JAR-FCL and test tooked about two hours.
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Hi!
I might be wrong, but I think you can only do the exams in the country where you are doing your ATPL theory and CPL training. Hence no "shopping around" is possible (though I'heard rumors aboout exceptions). I wanted to do exactly what you are thinking about doing, but the the country where I did my "conversion" training did not warm up to the idea of me doing the exams where they are free of charge.
I do believe the exams in Finland are done during one week (all of them), split up on 2-3 days. The good thing is that supposedly the exams are held every 2 weeks, so there is no unreasonable waiting.
Hope this helps...
polar bear
I might be wrong, but I think you can only do the exams in the country where you are doing your ATPL theory and CPL training. Hence no "shopping around" is possible (though I'heard rumors aboout exceptions). I wanted to do exactly what you are thinking about doing, but the the country where I did my "conversion" training did not warm up to the idea of me doing the exams where they are free of charge.
I do believe the exams in Finland are done during one week (all of them), split up on 2-3 days. The good thing is that supposedly the exams are held every 2 weeks, so there is no unreasonable waiting.
Hope this helps...
polar bear
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JAR ATPL in Finland
There's a new rule that came in to effect first of August 2003. This new rule effectively stops one from shopping around for best prices for training.
This is how it works. If you are issued your ATPL under "Special circumstances" Ie given credit for previous experience gained flying with say FAA ATP. Then you JAA ATPL will have a restriction on it limiting the license to aircraft registered in that country where you took your tests for the first 500 hours.
So if you wanted to work in UK and thought that you could get training and licencing cheaper say in Finland or Slovenia... Well think again as now you will have to find work in that country to get this restriction removed.
If this is not protectionism or discrimination, well then what is?
This change in rule was initiated by whining of English flight schools that are so over priced in makes me puke
when they realised that people where shopping around for best prices. UK CAA was happy to go along with a new rule and JAA countires bought their BS.
Should one decide to start training from beginning and complete all approved courses and graduate there are no such restrictions on ones license.
Strange enough a UK military Pilots on multi-engine aircraft with more than 2000hrs total time including more than 1500hrs pilot in command on multi-engine aircraft can get their JAA ATPL with relative ease. These pilots only need to take the Aviation Law & Procedures exam. They do not need to take formal training, if they are current on type they are also exempt the skills test but need to take the Instrument Rating.
If a UK military pilot has more than 2000hrs total and more than 1500hrs pilot in command. These need to take four papers with the CAA, Aviation Law, Mass & Balance, Performance and Operational Procedures, and also complete a ‘Military Bridging Package’ made up of sections of other subjects which the school where training is done are tested internally. These pilots need to take two flying tests, the skills test and the Instrument Rating.
Now I fail to see how military pilots in UK are soo bloody great that they have a shorcurt like this... And pilots with some 4000 hours and more than enough PIC as well as large jet time can not qualify or do not have similar schemes.
More info on this subject coming... apparently there is a class action lawsuit starting to deal with these issues. Anybody involved with this as I would like to participate?
Kiitti vaan ja Thunder
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This is how it works. If you are issued your ATPL under "Special circumstances" Ie given credit for previous experience gained flying with say FAA ATP. Then you JAA ATPL will have a restriction on it limiting the license to aircraft registered in that country where you took your tests for the first 500 hours.
So if you wanted to work in UK and thought that you could get training and licencing cheaper say in Finland or Slovenia... Well think again as now you will have to find work in that country to get this restriction removed.
If this is not protectionism or discrimination, well then what is?
This change in rule was initiated by whining of English flight schools that are so over priced in makes me puke
when they realised that people where shopping around for best prices. UK CAA was happy to go along with a new rule and JAA countires bought their BS. Should one decide to start training from beginning and complete all approved courses and graduate there are no such restrictions on ones license.
Strange enough a UK military Pilots on multi-engine aircraft with more than 2000hrs total time including more than 1500hrs pilot in command on multi-engine aircraft can get their JAA ATPL with relative ease. These pilots only need to take the Aviation Law & Procedures exam. They do not need to take formal training, if they are current on type they are also exempt the skills test but need to take the Instrument Rating.
If a UK military pilot has more than 2000hrs total and more than 1500hrs pilot in command. These need to take four papers with the CAA, Aviation Law, Mass & Balance, Performance and Operational Procedures, and also complete a ‘Military Bridging Package’ made up of sections of other subjects which the school where training is done are tested internally. These pilots need to take two flying tests, the skills test and the Instrument Rating.
Now I fail to see how military pilots in UK are soo bloody great that they have a shorcurt like this... And pilots with some 4000 hours and more than enough PIC as well as large jet time can not qualify or do not have similar schemes.
More info on this subject coming... apparently there is a class action lawsuit starting to deal with these issues. Anybody involved with this as I would like to participate?
Kiitti vaan ja Thunder
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HI Guys,
I have a UK JAA ATPL(A),the warm one....
Can I fly Scandinavians registered aircrafts on it or do I have to ask for a licence at the local "CAA"
I hope its only paperwork, i already spent 8 months in the UK to convert my FAA ATPL...NO MOPRE PLEASE....
Anyone would know of Airlines that may recruit?I love sweden,especially stockholm and would do anything to move there.
I have a JAA ATPL 2600TT 2400 on multi turboprop(metro3 and be1900)some multi some single pilot ops in these 2 birds.
Thanx a lot,
Tailwinds
I have a UK JAA ATPL(A),the warm one....
Can I fly Scandinavians registered aircrafts on it or do I have to ask for a licence at the local "CAA"
I hope its only paperwork, i already spent 8 months in the UK to convert my FAA ATPL...NO MOPRE PLEASE....
Anyone would know of Airlines that may recruit?I love sweden,especially stockholm and would do anything to move there.
I have a JAA ATPL 2600TT 2400 on multi turboprop(metro3 and be1900)some multi some single pilot ops in these 2 birds.
Thanx a lot,
Tailwinds
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UK JAA ATPL(A)
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Yep, as far as I understand the allmighty rules of JAA, that is very much possible. You can fly an aircraft registered in another JAA country. However, if you are staying in e.g. Sweden flying a Swedish registered aircraft if might be convenient to switch to a Swedish JAA certificate, making renewals etc. more convenient instead of dealing with an authority "far away". I don't know about the costs though, but if you work for an airline I guess you wouldn't be paying yourself anyhow...
polar bear
Yep, as far as I understand the allmighty rules of JAA, that is very much possible. You can fly an aircraft registered in another JAA country. However, if you are staying in e.g. Sweden flying a Swedish registered aircraft if might be convenient to switch to a Swedish JAA certificate, making renewals etc. more convenient instead of dealing with an authority "far away". I don't know about the costs though, but if you work for an airline I guess you wouldn't be paying yourself anyhow...
polar bear
