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Old 2nd Oct 2002, 20:16
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I følge kombilisteavtalen skal det sies opp etter kombilisten (uavhengig av om man er ansatt i SAS eller SC), dog med unntak av de som har vært ansatt i mindre enn 48 måneder. Disse skal sies opp basert på minsket behov i "respektive bolag."

Om det nå virkelig blir 320 oppsigelser i SAS, blir alle 320 oppsagt, bortsett fra de av disse som har vært ansatt i mer enn 48 måneder den dagen de får oppsigelsesbrevet, som får jobb i SC. Dette genererer en overtalliget i SC, som betyr at et tilsvarende antall blir sagt opp fra bunnen av senioritetslista i SC.

I tillegg har man 91 overtallige i SC, hvor samme regler gjelder. Alle disse har (pr. i dag) vært ansatt i mindre enn 48 måneder, så det er relativt oversiktelig. Men blir det fler oppsigelser i SC, slik at man kommer opp på et nivå hvor flere har vært ansatt i mer enn 48 måneder, må det finregning til.

Men uansett: Har du mer enn 48 måneders ansettelsestid i SAS/SC, skal du ikke bli sagt opp før alle under deg på kombilista (både i SAS og SC) er oppsagt.
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What a mess this will be if all 320 loses their jobs. From what y'all are discussing, just imagine the cost of re-training all the remaining pilots on necessary a/c types! Is this really what SAS is intending or is it a trick to get the union in line? It will be huge training costs and a slow phase out of pilots and by the time it is all finished, it is time to re-hire agian.
Isn't most newly recruited pilots typed on the 737? What a tremendous re-training!?
What about the C/A:s? Haven't heard anything about more C/A:s going? How does that correspond to a signal to fire pilots?
Smells filthy business from the management......

Just my 2 cents...
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Synes ikke det er merkelig at man sier opp ansatte i SK når det er i SK man skal spare penger. At andre selskaper eid av SAS gjør det bra, og har en organisasjon som er tilpasset størrelsen, skla selvsagt ikke straffes pga at mani SAS airline har dårlig tall å vise til...synes jeg. Ta f.eks Braathens og Widerøe som begge leverte MEGET gode tall i år. Braathens har f.eks ikke hatt større overskudd i hele sin levetid som iår. Organisasjonen er passe stor og de ansatte gjør sikkert en bra jobb.

SAS airline bør snarest se på sin egen struktur/organisasjon. Hva koster det ikke å ha tre middels store organisasjoner i hvert land, og dertil topporganisasjon??

Hører rykter om at det det på CC siden også kommer oppsigelser, men CC har bare 3 mnd oppsigelser, men piloter ofte har litt lenger....så det er pilotene det hastet mest med.

Har heller ikk tro på Scandinavian LIGHT som jeg har hørt navnet blir på lavprisrutene sørover. Integrer heller Braathens helt i SAS airline, og lag et eget selskap for lavpris og kanskje charter. Braathens har jo i dag godt rykte på seg innenfor charter. La evt Braathens kun ta lavpris og charter...
Ser man på rutetabellen for Norge innenlands til vinteren skal SAS airline kun fly fra Oslo til SVG, BGO, TRD og HAU. Alt annet er jo Braathens og Widerøe.
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Nick F. :

Jeg tror jeg har forstaaet indholdet af kombiliste-aftalen.....
Men du svarer ikke rigtig paa spoergsmaalet. Kombilisteaftalen kan jo skabe det problem at der bliver fyret saa mange fra SC at man er noedt til at ansaette folk fra Airline. Og saa opstaar problemet. Du kan ikke afskedige folk om mandagen i et selvstaendigt aktieselskab (med begrundelsen arbejdsmangel) for derefter at ansaette nogle andre om tirsdagen.....
SAS og DPF kan jo ikke aftale sig ud af alm. arbejdsmarkedslovgivning, uanset hvem der ejer hvem........
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Old 13th Oct 2002, 23:38
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Det ironiske er vel at SAS tror de kan ansette samtlige 300+ mann neste sommer igjen, når de trenger folk igjen. Good luck. Markedene er i ferd med å loefte seg igjen. I UK har to selskap annonsert etter piloter til deres Ab-initio program, pluss at et har annonsert etter styrmenn med litt erfaring. Kontrakts markedet er ikke så verst heller forutsatt at en er villig til å flytte litt på seg.

Nei, tenke langsiktig skal ikke SAS-styret få noe credits for å gjoere.
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Old 14th Oct 2002, 17:05
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Hvis jeg skjønner spørsmålet ditt rett (denne gangen), er det egentlig bare snakk om hvilken rekkefølge man gjør tingene i. Man sier ikke opp "for mange" i SC for å erstatte disse med SAS-piloter. SAS-pilotene har en senioritetsmessig rett til jobb i SC. Deretter blir det et overtall som SC må hanskes med. Om det blir SC-piloter eller tidligere SAS-piloter som blir oppsagt kommer an på den enkeltes plass på listen. Men senioriteten blir fulgt uansett.
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Old 14th Oct 2002, 18:19
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Okay Nick. Det er jo det der er hele min undren. Hvis SAS-Piloter (Airline) har en senioritetsmaessig ret til et job i SC, saa kan man jo staa i en situation at SC maa fyre Piloter pga. mangel paa arbejde (overtallighed), for derefter at vaere noedt til at ansaette Airline piloter pga. foernaevnte senioritetsliste.
Dette praesenterer et juridisk problem for SC, da de uanset hvilke aftaler de og Airline har med Pilotforeningerne, IKKE kan fyre noge den ene dag, og saa ansaette nogle andre den anden.
SAS, SC og DPF er ikke haevet over alm. arbejdsmarkedslovgivning (tror endda det er EU regler ogsaa).

Derfor undrer jeg, iht. til hvilke lister vil man afskedige ??

Kan man "fixe" det problem som kombilisten skaber ??

Jeg haaber at du forstaar at det afgoerende her er, at SC og Airline er to uafhaengige aktieselskaber, juridisk set, uanset om Airline ejer SC 100%.
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Old 16th Oct 2002, 18:37
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SAS Airline og SAS Commuter er ikke to separate aksjeselskap. Det eneste aksjeselskapet i denne sammenheng er SAS, som er notert på börsen i CPH,OSL og STO, og som eier KONSORTIENE SAS Airline og SAS Commuter. De er derved sösterkonsortier.

Braathens, Wideröe, Botnia, Spanair etc. er derimot selvstendige aksjeselskap, hvor SAS eier deler av/alle aksjer.

Det er ingenting i en felles kombinasjonsliste som er ulovlig.
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Hvis det er tilfældet kan jeg kun sige: " I stand corrected".

Jeg var ret overbevist om at SC var et A/S - 100% ejet af SAS Airline. (Som SIG og SAS Cargo fx.)
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Old 24th Oct 2002, 12:34
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Just for somebody that doesnt speak scandinavian, what is happening with regards to the 320 pilots that will be layed off?

Is this a rumor to the unions or is this really happening.

and are there any other jubs for these pilots like with Nowegian or something like that.

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Old 24th Oct 2002, 17:00
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300 will be laid off.......
Letters out these days.
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Old 24th Oct 2002, 17:25
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Thumbs down

That just stinks! I still hope in the end that they withdraw the lay-offs. Finger crossed!
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Old 24th Oct 2002, 17:59
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I heard the figure was 391! Have some been reinstated?
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Old 24th Oct 2002, 18:18
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391 is SAS + SC.
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Old 24th Oct 2002, 18:22
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Is anybody in scandinavia hiring pilots? cause 391 will put som pressure on the marked up there.

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Old 24th Oct 2002, 19:48
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Hiring...

Widerøe is hiring. Norwegian is hiring (737 and F50), Kato Air is hiring, seems there are a few danish airlines hiring. Not to mention a reported 350 pilots required by Lufthansa. (I know..not in Scandinavia - but will definitively have a Scandinavian impact!)

So yes, airlines in Scandinavia is hiring. But not all.
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Malmö Aviation has re-hired some of their former laid-off pilots in the last year....
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Widerøe is hiring? Really? Or is this just for the SC people?
From what I`ve heard, LH is to take on 150 of the SAS pilots as part of their expansion from next spring (hiring around 320 pilots), which in turn should take a lot of pressure off the Scandinavian arena. But what about the other 150? Would it then be possible for SAS to keep them on an extremely low-houred schedule?
Seems to me that perhaps SAS should slash 300 from their administration, because frankly there are too many people (for mange kokker, for mye søl).
I hope the 300 who got the letter won`t stay unemployed for too long.
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Old 25th Oct 2002, 10:51
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Only pilots affected by lay-off's ?

I understand this thread naturally focuses on the pilot side of things. But logic tells me that if an airline is cutting down on the flying, and therefore lays off pilots and cabin crew, surely it must have an impact on all others in the company; engineers, loaders, check-in staff, admin sales the whole nine yards. Question is, are any other groups facing lay-off's.

Freak,

See your point about laying off 300 admin staff instead of pilots. But laying off 300 in Frosundavik or on Hedegaardsvej would hardly have the same financial impact as getting rid of the same number of pilots. What's the salary of a new-ish F/O in SAS ? 40K DKK/Month ? How many people in admin attracts that kind of salary ? Not bashing pilots salaries at all, every man or woman is worth what the company is willing to pay them.

Could someone please tell us if only pilots are getting the sack.

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Four words: Ryanair / EasyJet / Hiring / Loads.
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Old 25th Oct 2002, 17:34
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The Pilots are the last ones to get sacked. Everyone else (as I know) has been through the treadmill a while ago.......

(And the thing about sacking 300 admins must be referred to as crewroom-overview!!)
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