Way to go....ny overenskomst for kabinen
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Ny overenskomst for kabinefolk
2002-08-05 15:59
Efter seks dages forhandlinger er SAS-ledelsen og forhandlerne for 2600 danske og norske kabinefolk blevet enige om en ny etårig overenskomst.
"Jeg synes, at vi er nået frem til et resultat, som både SAS og vi kan være tilfredse med. Den sikrer både fleksibilitet for kabinepersonalet og lever op til SAS' krav om øget produktivitet," siger formanden for de 1400 danske kabinefolk, Flemming Beinov.
Han vil ikke røbe det detaljerede indhold af aftalen, før medlemmerne er blevet orienteret. Det ligger dog fast, at det er lykkedes parterne at blive enige om en nyt system for arbejdstid på de korte ruter.
Det såkaldte 5-4-system, hvor kabinepersonalet arbejder fem dage og holder fri i fire, var ét af de største stridspunkter undervejs i forhandlinger. SAS-ledelsen har ønsket et mere fleksibelt system.
"Og det har de sådan set også fået. Men der er dog tale om et frivillighedsprincip, hvor medarbejdere, der ønsker at blive på det gamle 5-4-system, kan det, mens andre, der vil flyve anderledes, har mulighed for det," siger Flemming Beinov til Ritzau.
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2002-08-05 15:59
Efter seks dages forhandlinger er SAS-ledelsen og forhandlerne for 2600 danske og norske kabinefolk blevet enige om en ny etårig overenskomst.
"Jeg synes, at vi er nået frem til et resultat, som både SAS og vi kan være tilfredse med. Den sikrer både fleksibilitet for kabinepersonalet og lever op til SAS' krav om øget produktivitet," siger formanden for de 1400 danske kabinefolk, Flemming Beinov.
Han vil ikke røbe det detaljerede indhold af aftalen, før medlemmerne er blevet orienteret. Det ligger dog fast, at det er lykkedes parterne at blive enige om en nyt system for arbejdstid på de korte ruter.
Det såkaldte 5-4-system, hvor kabinepersonalet arbejder fem dage og holder fri i fire, var ét af de største stridspunkter undervejs i forhandlinger. SAS-ledelsen har ønsket et mere fleksibelt system.
"Og det har de sådan set også fået. Men der er dog tale om et frivillighedsprincip, hvor medarbejdere, der ønsker at blive på det gamle 5-4-system, kan det, mens andre, der vil flyve anderledes, har mulighed for det," siger Flemming Beinov til Ritzau.
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The SAS cabin crew conditions have always been the envy of most other FA unions.
In KLM we work 4/1, 5/2 or 6/3.
No overtime/høytidstillegg pay, schedule only 2 weeks ahead.
And if what I hear is correct, SAS FA pay is higher than anybody else's, while their pilot pay is lower than that of comparable institutions.
Would be very interesting to get some SAS FA input here. Can't you guys do a bit of lobbying at work? Surely there are SAS FA's who like computers & the internet?
I'd love to know what SAS rules for part time work are like for example, is it true that you had to have a child under 10 to be allowed to work part time and that that's the reason there's so many "attpåkladder"? Or is that Urban Legend?
Anyway, recrute some "lyxhustruer"!
Knold, your remark seems a bit silly mate; while SAS conditions are the envy of all, SAS passengers are what installs pity for your lyxhustruer in most of us. The drinking habits and general surlyness of the Scandi pax is legendary in the industry outside of Scandinavia, and many airlines used to put in extra FA's on Scandi routes to cope with it all.
Nobody envies the SAS fas the conditions under which they have to work, but we'd al like to have their time off and their "end-of-the-month-offence"
In KLM we work 4/1, 5/2 or 6/3.
No overtime/høytidstillegg pay, schedule only 2 weeks ahead.
And if what I hear is correct, SAS FA pay is higher than anybody else's, while their pilot pay is lower than that of comparable institutions.
Would be very interesting to get some SAS FA input here. Can't you guys do a bit of lobbying at work? Surely there are SAS FA's who like computers & the internet?
I'd love to know what SAS rules for part time work are like for example, is it true that you had to have a child under 10 to be allowed to work part time and that that's the reason there's so many "attpåkladder"? Or is that Urban Legend?
Anyway, recrute some "lyxhustruer"!
Knold, your remark seems a bit silly mate; while SAS conditions are the envy of all, SAS passengers are what installs pity for your lyxhustruer in most of us. The drinking habits and general surlyness of the Scandi pax is legendary in the industry outside of Scandinavia, and many airlines used to put in extra FA's on Scandi routes to cope with it all.
Nobody envies the SAS fas the conditions under which they have to work, but we'd al like to have their time off and their "end-of-the-month-offence"
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Hmm, ifølge pressen er de da vist Britiske charterflyvninger der er topscorer m.h.t. berusede passagerer.
Jeg har fløjet intensivt med SAS de sidste 5 år, og sjældent set passagerer der krævede ekstra omsorg. De får højest sjusserne til at skvulpe over på Business, men det er heldigvis slut med Scandinavian Direct.
Har jeg tilstrækkeligt med fagudtryk (TOGA) ?
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Hmm, ifølge pressen er de da vist Britiske charterflyvninger der er topscorer m.h.t. berusede passagerer.
Jeg har fløjet intensivt med SAS de sidste 5 år, og sjældent set passagerer der krævede ekstra omsorg. De får højest sjusserne til at skvulpe over på Business, men det er heldigvis slut med Scandinavian Direct.
Har jeg tilstrækkeligt med fagudtryk (TOGA) ?
Michael
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Hehehe.................
Michael, dette her er faglig, ingen TOGA nødvendig.
I'm not contesting your assertions here, no doubt Brit charters are labour intensive when it comes to boozing. Like many other charters I guess...........
What I am talking about is scheduled airline services.
And long before I ever even had any connection to these lovely northern lands, I was already an FA. And knew all about the special difficulties faced by FA's flying Scando's.
Don't misunderstand me please, it is no value judgement but merely a fact of life for foreign airlines flying into Scandinavia.
I know that many FA's are not particularly fond of flying to Korea and Russia for the same reasons.
I have a little speech for my FA's whenever I fly into the North to explain a few facts about Scandi drinking habits, the way SAS makes people order ALL their drinks in one go etc etc.
It always eases their worry beforhand and makes them understand the pax's behaviour a bit better.
This makes for a happier crew and better service to the pax in the end. Which is the final aim of the whole thing; happy pax return to your airline.
Now please don't all jump on my back here, I am not saying that it's better or worse than the way people combine drink & travel in other countries.
Just stating that there definitely is a difference!
And that to foreign fa's the postion of the SAS fa's doesn't seem an enviable one.
It really would be interesting to get some SAS fa's take on this whole thing!
Michael, dette her er faglig, ingen TOGA nødvendig.
I'm not contesting your assertions here, no doubt Brit charters are labour intensive when it comes to boozing. Like many other charters I guess...........
What I am talking about is scheduled airline services.
And long before I ever even had any connection to these lovely northern lands, I was already an FA. And knew all about the special difficulties faced by FA's flying Scando's.
Don't misunderstand me please, it is no value judgement but merely a fact of life for foreign airlines flying into Scandinavia.
I know that many FA's are not particularly fond of flying to Korea and Russia for the same reasons.
I have a little speech for my FA's whenever I fly into the North to explain a few facts about Scandi drinking habits, the way SAS makes people order ALL their drinks in one go etc etc.
It always eases their worry beforhand and makes them understand the pax's behaviour a bit better.
This makes for a happier crew and better service to the pax in the end. Which is the final aim of the whole thing; happy pax return to your airline.
Now please don't all jump on my back here, I am not saying that it's better or worse than the way people combine drink & travel in other countries.
Just stating that there definitely is a difference!
And that to foreign fa's the postion of the SAS fa's doesn't seem an enviable one.
It really would be interesting to get some SAS fa's take on this whole thing!
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You are correct about the salaries. SAS' FA are earning the highest saleries in the business while there F/D counterparts are earning comparativly much less than industry standard.
You are correct about the salaries. SAS' FA are earning the highest saleries in the business while there F/D counterparts are earning comparativly much less than industry standard.
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Well, jeg har aldrig oplevet sagen fra en FA's side, jeg har blot et indtryk af at de ruteflyvninger jeg har været på har været meget stille i kabinen.
Det kan måske have noget med mit rejsemønster at gøre, typisk ud til Oslo sen aften og hjem igen til CPH omkring kl. 18:00.
Her er det overvejende forretningsrejsende, der godt nok ind i mellem får et par sjusser, men sjældent bliver støjende. Det går mest ud over sidemandens bukser, når de ryger ind i et 'dutch roll'
Der flyves jo også mere charterprægede ture til fra Norden.
Det værste jeg mindes, var nu en BA flyvning fra LGW til MIA, hvor vi på hjemturen var voldsomt forsinkede, incl. et 2 timers ophold (i flyet) i Stansted.
Der samledes en større gruppe tyske passagerer bagest i kabinen hvor de drak dåseøl og var noget til gene for dem der sad bagest eller skulle på toilettet.
Den typiske uro er passagerer der rejser sig og åbner overhead bin's før parkering ved gaten.
Amsterdam er jo en ganske spændende by med mange fristelser :o , så trafikken der kunne have en anden karakter - det er et stykke tid siden jeg var der. Utrecht er i øvrigt også en dejlig by, god mad ved de små kanaler. Og hvor andet end i Holland kunne man have en gade ved navn Hartebollenstraat :-) - men det er en anden historie.
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Det kan måske have noget med mit rejsemønster at gøre, typisk ud til Oslo sen aften og hjem igen til CPH omkring kl. 18:00.
Her er det overvejende forretningsrejsende, der godt nok ind i mellem får et par sjusser, men sjældent bliver støjende. Det går mest ud over sidemandens bukser, når de ryger ind i et 'dutch roll'
Der flyves jo også mere charterprægede ture til fra Norden.
Det værste jeg mindes, var nu en BA flyvning fra LGW til MIA, hvor vi på hjemturen var voldsomt forsinkede, incl. et 2 timers ophold (i flyet) i Stansted.
Der samledes en større gruppe tyske passagerer bagest i kabinen hvor de drak dåseøl og var noget til gene for dem der sad bagest eller skulle på toilettet.
Den typiske uro er passagerer der rejser sig og åbner overhead bin's før parkering ved gaten.
Amsterdam er jo en ganske spændende by med mange fristelser :o , så trafikken der kunne have en anden karakter - det er et stykke tid siden jeg var der. Utrecht er i øvrigt også en dejlig by, god mad ved de små kanaler. Og hvor andet end i Holland kunne man have en gade ved navn Hartebollenstraat :-) - men det er en anden historie.
Hilsen
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Jeg synes, at vi er nået frem til et resultat, som både SAS og vi kan være tilfredse med. Den sikrer både fleksibilitet for kabinepersonalet og lever op til SAS' krav om øget produktivitet," (...) Men der er dog tale om et frivillighedsprincip, hvor medarbejdere, der ønsker at blive på det gamle 5-4-system, kan det, mens andre, der vil flyve anderledes, har mulighed for det,"
Her er det snakk om å gå til bunns med flagget til topps.
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Highest pay, fewest work hours, strictest work rules (max two hot meal services per day, etc.), most vacation, most LoA, most sick days (and they use them), most rest required (way more than the cockpit crew), what did I miss?
IOW spoiled rotten. And 90% of them act that way, too.
A lot of fat, ugly, mean, bitchy bats.
And a fair amount of sweethearts, too.
IOW spoiled rotten. And 90% of them act that way, too.
A lot of fat, ugly, mean, bitchy bats.
And a fair amount of sweethearts, too.
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Reading flathatter's post there seems to be a lot that we working stiffs could learn from our SAS colleagues.
Perhaps it is time that our union gets in touch with theirs and finds out what the life of an FA really should be like!
Perhaps it is time that our union gets in touch with theirs and finds out what the life of an FA really should be like!
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As we have painfully concluded in previous posts, pilot pay seems to be determined by "supply and demand".
What I dont understand is why any company would want to pay fantasy salaries and give fantasy benefits to a group of people that are far from short in supply!? As far as I know you dont really need any education except for the normal 12 years of schooling that most people have anyway.
What I dont understand is why any company would want to pay fantasy salaries and give fantasy benefits to a group of people that are far from short in supply!? As far as I know you dont really need any education except for the normal 12 years of schooling that most people have anyway.