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Folketelling, stem på ditt fedreland..
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TowerDog took a time out because something or someone caused him to write a particularly unpleasant post on the Freight Dogs forum.
BTW: Flaps isn't actually the moderator of this forum. Along with the description for the forum listing they were done purely to keep you guys on your toes.
Therefore if you want to take a poke you aim it at me - Rob Lloyd - and no one else. I've run the site with Danny for 7 years now. This forum along with every other one on the site exists in my living room and Danny's. If something isn't acceptable in our homes it isn't acceptable on the site. Towerdog produced a post that wasn't acceptable in my home and he's taken a time out.
If you don't like it write to me.
If you don't like the limits I set in my home - tough. It's my home not yours.
Truly Free Speech doesn't exist in my home or anywhere else in the world. If you don't believe me set up your own forum.
This forum began because other local forums had been shut down.
The only reason you have a forum is because Danny and I pay for it.
Enjoy the forum and accept our hospitality - leave flaps out of it and address your comments to me.
Rob
BTW: Flaps isn't actually the moderator of this forum. Along with the description for the forum listing they were done purely to keep you guys on your toes.
Therefore if you want to take a poke you aim it at me - Rob Lloyd - and no one else. I've run the site with Danny for 7 years now. This forum along with every other one on the site exists in my living room and Danny's. If something isn't acceptable in our homes it isn't acceptable on the site. Towerdog produced a post that wasn't acceptable in my home and he's taken a time out.
If you don't like it write to me.
If you don't like the limits I set in my home - tough. It's my home not yours.
Truly Free Speech doesn't exist in my home or anywhere else in the world. If you don't believe me set up your own forum.
This forum began because other local forums had been shut down.
The only reason you have a forum is because Danny and I pay for it.
Enjoy the forum and accept our hospitality - leave flaps out of it and address your comments to me.
Rob
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To all of you, moderator or not,
Since TowerDog is banned from pprune he asked me to post this one on his behalf:
"The "unpleasent" message on FreightDog Forum should not be taken out of context,
the guy I talked to got so wrapped up in the AA/TWA seniority intergration last
year that he issued a death threat to yours truly because I was not in favor of
Date-of-Hire intergration..Duh..
If anybody needs to apologize and back track some, that guy does.
I stand by everything I said, although I will admit it may have been offensive
to others who does not know the full story. To those I apologize".
Regards
TowerDog
Since TowerDog is banned from pprune he asked me to post this one on his behalf:
"The "unpleasent" message on FreightDog Forum should not be taken out of context,
the guy I talked to got so wrapped up in the AA/TWA seniority intergration last
year that he issued a death threat to yours truly because I was not in favor of
Date-of-Hire intergration..Duh..
If anybody needs to apologize and back track some, that guy does.
I stand by everything I said, although I will admit it may have been offensive
to others who does not know the full story. To those I apologize".
Regards
TowerDog
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Thanks for clearing that up Rob! 
Nå som alle fakta er på bordet forstår dere kanskje hvorfor det har vært stille fra min side.
Etter å ha talt deres sak hos administrasjionen og all den dritten dere har slengt etter meg ville det ha vært overraskende hyggelig å få en unnskyldning fra dere.
Hvis dere er mannfolk nok, da.
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Nå som alle fakta er på bordet forstår dere kanskje hvorfor det har vært stille fra min side.
Etter å ha talt deres sak hos administrasjionen og all den dritten dere har slengt etter meg ville det ha vært overraskende hyggelig å få en unnskyldning fra dere.
Hvis dere er mannfolk nok, da.
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PPRuNe Towers,
Allow me in good viking spirit the following:
If you read what I, on behalf of TowerDog, posted following your post, I find it difficult to believe that TowerDog took time out. The truth is most probably that you, or any other moderator, made him go away. Did you know the reason behind his posting on Freight Dogs Forum?
Why is she then listed as one? You did not keep us on any toes. We are born like that - with skies on, too.
We do`nt poke. We discuss, as would every sound person do when he/she does not agree on something. That we use words and descriptions that could be strange to you or others, is probably true. That`s like you islanders drink luke warm beer. I do not like luke warm beer, but I accept that you do. Simple.
Well, did you really mean that? In my house free speech is a democratic right. When my son says something he wants to say, I can not lock him outside for a few days just because I have a different opinion.
Flaps,
Siden du ikke er moderator her på Nordic forum slik vi ble fortalt, og som du vitterlig står listed som - hvorfor ikke da anse alle kommentarene til deg som rettet til Mr. Rob. Altså, feil adressat. Men det må andre ta skylden for, synes du ikke. Ergo, ingen grunn til unnskyldning fra alle mannfolkene her på forumet.
Allow me in good viking spirit the following:
TowerDog took a time out because something or someone caused him to write a particularly unpleasant post on the Freight Dogs forum.
BTW: Flaps isn't actually the moderator of this forum. Along with the description for the forum listing they were done purely to keep you guys on your toes
Therefore if you want to take a poke you aim it at me - Rob Lloyd - and no one else
Truly Free Speech doesn't exist in my home or anywhere else in the world
Flaps,
Siden du ikke er moderator her på Nordic forum slik vi ble fortalt, og som du vitterlig står listed som - hvorfor ikke da anse alle kommentarene til deg som rettet til Mr. Rob. Altså, feil adressat. Men det må andre ta skylden for, synes du ikke. Ergo, ingen grunn til unnskyldning fra alle mannfolkene her på forumet.
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Du har sikkert ret når du siger at Flaps har litt Norsk i sig.
Vi ved jo alle godt at Nordmænd altid har været de små i den afdeling
Det er vel dog best å ikke spørre Flaps, hvis det er feil tid i måneden og hun er i dårlig humør, kan hun lett rive oss et nytt...
we have`nt heared a word from you
That`s good since we did not want a moderator in the first place...........
Flaps (hvorfor kommer jeg altid til at tænke på læder, håndjern og pisk når jeg se hendes navn??)
Det er det du kaller å diskutere?
Men det var som jeg tenkte; å stå for det når man dritter seg ut er for mye å forvente her.........................
Vi ved jo alle godt at Nordmænd altid har været de små i den afdeling
Det er vel dog best å ikke spørre Flaps, hvis det er feil tid i måneden og hun er i dårlig humør, kan hun lett rive oss et nytt...
we have`nt heared a word from you
That`s good since we did not want a moderator in the first place...........Flaps (hvorfor kommer jeg altid til at tænke på læder, håndjern og pisk når jeg se hendes navn??)
Det er det du kaller å diskutere?
Men det var som jeg tenkte; å stå for det når man dritter seg ut er for mye å forvente her.........................
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Ja Flaps, du må da meget undskylde at vi har fået den tåbelige ide at du var moderator her på forum.
Vi burde naturligvis have vidst at når der stod "Nordic Forum moderated by: flapsforty" , at det slet ikke var sandt.
Anyways nu ved jeg hvorfor jeg altid kommer til at tænke på læder, håndjern og pisk når jeg se hendes navn
Vi burde naturligvis have vidst at når der stod "Nordic Forum moderated by: flapsforty" , at det slet ikke var sandt.
Anyways nu ved jeg hvorfor jeg altid kommer til at tænke på læder, håndjern og pisk når jeg se hendes navn
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Flaps,
"Tale er sølv og tie er gull" er et ordspråk du kan legge deg på hjertet akkurat nå. Dersom du virkelig tror at det som er skrevet og sagt her på Nordic forum, før og etter at du "ikke ble" moderator, var personlig ment, ja, da er det nok flere enn meg som blir skuffet. Som moderator av JB må du vel ha tykkere hud enn det du viser nå
Og selvfølgelig gjelder "tie er gull" også for meg i denne saken. Next case, please.
BTW PPRuNe Tower,
When is TowerDog coming back. We miss his presence, all of us!
"Tale er sølv og tie er gull" er et ordspråk du kan legge deg på hjertet akkurat nå. Dersom du virkelig tror at det som er skrevet og sagt her på Nordic forum, før og etter at du "ikke ble" moderator, var personlig ment, ja, da er det nok flere enn meg som blir skuffet. Som moderator av JB må du vel ha tykkere hud enn det du viser nå
Og selvfølgelig gjelder "tie er gull" også for meg i denne saken. Next case, please.
BTW PPRuNe Tower,
When is TowerDog coming back. We miss his presence, all of us!
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Time out = sin binned. Normally for a week - it is not voluntary.
I repeat - Flaps is not the moderator. Danny and I put her name there and changed the forum description within two minutes of a post arriving containing the words. It seems only Towerdog understood what we were doing - letting you know who was ultimately in charge.
This was done because Scandi forums have a desperately poor history and collapse with monotonous regularity. We don't allow such situations to develop on any PPRuNe forum - as we demonstrated with Towerdog's outburst on Freight Dogs. He has his own reasons for writing what he did but how he expressed himself is the cause of the temporay ban.
As to Free Speech: What you allow in your home is up to you. Reality is what you let your son say to you or other members of your family being entirely different to what you'd put up with from a stranger in your home. They won't be invited back.
It takes 45 minutes to put up an internet bulletin board - the software and hosting is entirely free through innumerable sources. With practice even a warm beer drinking fool like me can create an entirely new forum here in less than 4 minutes.
Instead of railing against perceived injustice and abrogation of your rights just get off your backsides and create your own forum - it's incredibly easy except for one thing. You are required to provide your name, address and full contact details. We look forward to chatting with you and comparing notes on how it feels to get your first three or four letters from lawyers wanting to sue you.
Once you've got that little notch in your belt we'll be happy to talk free speech with you You might find life just a little different when the legal profession has easy, instant access to your exact name, address and phone number
So here's how it pans out. We provide you with a free forum - a few problems and hiccups over the months but all solved with the minimum of fuss.
In recent weeks some folks get a bit overconfident. It's your forum - you decide what's acceptable - you decide who should moderate it - not that one is needed anyway. Well Danny and I tried to gently squash that in a humorous way by shoving flaps' name into the moderator slot and taking a quote from a post to add to the forum description.
Perhaps that action lost something in the trip across the North Sea - my apologies if you didn't understand. The fact remains however, this is a private site. You agreed to our terms and conditions when you registered. You are anonymous and Danny and I are not. The lawyers write to us and not you. Because they can take away our homes and our ability to earn the living that pays for this site you either go with our standards or you set up your own forum.
We all accept collosal responsibility each day in our work as aviation professionals - we require a miniscule amount to carry over into your enjoyment and participation here on PPRuNe.
Rob
I repeat - Flaps is not the moderator. Danny and I put her name there and changed the forum description within two minutes of a post arriving containing the words. It seems only Towerdog understood what we were doing - letting you know who was ultimately in charge.
This was done because Scandi forums have a desperately poor history and collapse with monotonous regularity. We don't allow such situations to develop on any PPRuNe forum - as we demonstrated with Towerdog's outburst on Freight Dogs. He has his own reasons for writing what he did but how he expressed himself is the cause of the temporay ban.
As to Free Speech: What you allow in your home is up to you. Reality is what you let your son say to you or other members of your family being entirely different to what you'd put up with from a stranger in your home. They won't be invited back.
It takes 45 minutes to put up an internet bulletin board - the software and hosting is entirely free through innumerable sources. With practice even a warm beer drinking fool like me can create an entirely new forum here in less than 4 minutes.
Instead of railing against perceived injustice and abrogation of your rights just get off your backsides and create your own forum - it's incredibly easy except for one thing. You are required to provide your name, address and full contact details. We look forward to chatting with you and comparing notes on how it feels to get your first three or four letters from lawyers wanting to sue you.
Once you've got that little notch in your belt we'll be happy to talk free speech with you
You might find life just a little different when the legal profession has easy, instant access to your exact name, address and phone number So here's how it pans out. We provide you with a free forum - a few problems and hiccups over the months but all solved with the minimum of fuss.
In recent weeks some folks get a bit overconfident. It's your forum - you decide what's acceptable - you decide who should moderate it - not that one is needed anyway. Well Danny and I tried to gently squash that in a humorous way by shoving flaps' name into the moderator slot and taking a quote from a post to add to the forum description.
Perhaps that action lost something in the trip across the North Sea - my apologies if you didn't understand. The fact remains however, this is a private site. You agreed to our terms and conditions when you registered. You are anonymous and Danny and I are not. The lawyers write to us and not you. Because they can take away our homes and our ability to earn the living that pays for this site you either go with our standards or you set up your own forum.
We all accept collosal responsibility each day in our work as aviation professionals - we require a miniscule amount to carry over into your enjoyment and participation here on PPRuNe.
Rob
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This was done because Scandi forums have a desperately poor history and collapse with monotonous regularity.
In recent weeks some folks get a bit overconfident. It's your forum - you decide what's acceptable - you decide who should moderate it - not that one is needed anyway.
But as you say, it might have lost something on the way across the North Sea.
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Dunno how long you've been around Tech but Danny and I go back to accoustic couplers for comms. Pre modem, pre internet. We know the history of aviation bulletin boards pretty well.
Jumping through to modern times, this forum came about by the direct written request of someone shutting theirs down as they had found it far too much trouble. That person had been flattened by fighting and bickering on the board they had painstakingly created.
At last count there were 32 PPRuNe clones running but that number varies each month. It's inevitable that someone will rival and surpass us someday but until then we keep plugging away, constantly trying to improve the formula.
We think the secret is this: Signal to noise ratio.
They don't always like to admit it but folks appreciate a moderated board rather than anything goes. Whether humour, tech stuff or gossip - much more content gets through in a shorter time on line with us. If anyone thinks they can come up with a better basic formula it is totally free to set up your own board. It just takes huge amounts of time and effort. We hope some of you will have a go and show us how it really should be done.
Rob
Jumping through to modern times, this forum came about by the direct written request of someone shutting theirs down as they had found it far too much trouble. That person had been flattened by fighting and bickering on the board they had painstakingly created.
At last count there were 32 PPRuNe clones running but that number varies each month. It's inevitable that someone will rival and surpass us someday but until then we keep plugging away, constantly trying to improve the formula.
We think the secret is this: Signal to noise ratio.
They don't always like to admit it but folks appreciate a moderated board rather than anything goes. Whether humour, tech stuff or gossip - much more content gets through in a shorter time on line with us. If anyone thinks they can come up with a better basic formula it is totally free to set up your own board. It just takes huge amounts of time and effort. We hope some of you will have a go and show us how it really should be done.
Rob
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Well, as you can see Rob I've been around since '69. Back when it was all done with a piece of string and plastic cups.
But seriously, the board you are referring to, and which I also used, was very civilized almost to the point where the padding of eachothers backs became absurd.
And of course, people here know that they always have been moderated, even if no 'official' moderator had been appointed.
I just think that the illusion of having an unmoderated forum appealed to the rebel streak in us.
Anyways, I'm sure that I speak for all of us here when I say that you are doing one hell of a good job with this board. And that all of your hard work is very much appreciated.
But seriously, the board you are referring to, and which I also used, was very civilized almost to the point where the padding of eachothers backs became absurd.
And of course, people here know that they always have been moderated, even if no 'official' moderator had been appointed.
I just think that the illusion of having an unmoderated forum appealed to the rebel streak in us.
Anyways, I'm sure that I speak for all of us here when I say that you are doing one hell of a good job with this board. And that all of your hard work is very much appreciated.
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TowerDog ba meg poste dette for han:
Moderators:
Hello from the TowerDog, banned but still the man.
Surfed the Admin Forum last nite and read all about my banning and the reason on
the ban list. (You guys should really crank up security, that was an easy one to
get into..:-)
No Flaps, nobody notified me of why I was banned.
Don't know who that camel guy is, but he no like me...
The Guvnor has up to 20 tries under a different name?
Wow, can't match that.
Ya'll be good.
(Now wandering back to my jail-cell, but still have the key to the Wardens
Offices...Hehe..:-)
Moderators:
Hello from the TowerDog, banned but still the man.
Surfed the Admin Forum last nite and read all about my banning and the reason on
the ban list. (You guys should really crank up security, that was an easy one to
get into..:-)
No Flaps, nobody notified me of why I was banned.
Don't know who that camel guy is, but he no like me...
The Guvnor has up to 20 tries under a different name?
Wow, can't match that.
Ya'll be good.
(Now wandering back to my jail-cell, but still have the key to the Wardens
Offices...Hehe..:-)
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quote: NO!
Ok,
So you have put him in a container on board a 74 on an endless journey of sinister destinations just to soften him up?
Then I must remind you that TD relates from a rugged part of Norway where they talk strange, fight alot and they drink fluids made in cellars that would burn normal throats and damage your brain if only taken in small portions.
This kind of lifestyle are the remains of a culture that for centuries ago used to sail in unchartered waters ,conquering people on small islands and steal their women.
This man (TD) obviously still hangs on to this kind of lifestyle.He is living in his sailboat far, far away, between islands in the sun,drinking fluids, chasing women and works only when the ship`s store rooms are empty.
I think I speak for all of us that the best outcome of this incident is to free him from this torture and let him enter the forum so he can communicate with people speaking the same tounge.
Result guaranteed!
quote: NO!
Ok,
So you have put him in a container on board a 74 on an endless journey of sinister destinations just to soften him up?
Then I must remind you that TD relates from a rugged part of Norway where they talk strange, fight alot and they drink fluids made in cellars that would burn normal throats and damage your brain if only taken in small portions.
This kind of lifestyle are the remains of a culture that for centuries ago used to sail in unchartered waters ,conquering people on small islands and steal their women.
This man (TD) obviously still hangs on to this kind of lifestyle.He is living in his sailboat far, far away, between islands in the sun,drinking fluids, chasing women and works only when the ship`s store rooms are empty.
I think I speak for all of us that the best outcome of this incident is to free him from this torture and let him enter the forum so he can communicate with people speaking the same tounge.
Result guaranteed!
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TowerDog banned for life
Hello everyone,
TowerDog has asked me to tell you that he is no "banned for life" on pprune. According to PPRuNeTowers he was banned for a few days, but apparently, now he cannot even enter pprune as a visitor.
So my friends, TowerDog is dead
You can send flowers and sympathy to [email protected]
But you know, when you can access the admin dept, like he did, he will find a way to come back. No worries. I know under what identity he will appear, and so would all vikings on this forum.
The question is; do we really want to be part of a pprune that put itself up on a pedestal from where it can dictate peoples opinions. Do we really want to be guest in PPRuNe Tower`s home, as he put it the other day. A home where people with a different viewpoint than his and Danny`s will have the door slammed in their faces. Is this the kind of pprune more than 50000 members want. Or do we just accept it blindfolded and continue to walk behind them as obedient dogs.
Not me. That is why ArcticCircle will join his friend TowerDog.
If you want to stay in contact; [email protected]
TowerDog has asked me to tell you that he is no "banned for life" on pprune. According to PPRuNeTowers he was banned for a few days, but apparently, now he cannot even enter pprune as a visitor.
So my friends, TowerDog is dead
You can send flowers and sympathy to [email protected]
But you know, when you can access the admin dept, like he did, he will find a way to come back. No worries. I know under what identity he will appear, and so would all vikings on this forum.
The question is; do we really want to be part of a pprune that put itself up on a pedestal from where it can dictate peoples opinions. Do we really want to be guest in PPRuNe Tower`s home, as he put it the other day. A home where people with a different viewpoint than his and Danny`s will have the door slammed in their faces. Is this the kind of pprune more than 50000 members want. Or do we just accept it blindfolded and continue to walk behind them as obedient dogs.
Not me. That is why ArcticCircle will join his friend TowerDog.
If you want to stay in contact; [email protected]
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Being objective on PPRuNe
Before you renounce PPRuNe for good Artic, an act which will probably have zero impact on the management of this site, you should consider your options. Let's keep it in aeronautical terms and ask yourself, where is my alternate and is it suitable?
As we have been told in no uncertain terms, this is a private site and we are here courtesy of the good will of Danny and his gang. On the face of it, that's all fine and well but I sense a distinct pecking order here on PPRuNe, where some people are more equal than others. I'm not talking Mod's here. Now this is my personal opinion, but the pecking order seems go as this:
Pommies
PPRuNe celebs (You know who they are - usually they're also Poms)
"+1000s" (Or the oldtimers - many Poms here too)
Women
Ozmates
Yanks
ROTW
To illustrate this, cast an eye on the R&N forum where almost everyday there is a new post headlined "Overrun in BFS" or "Hard Landing in LHR" or "Go-Around in NCL" or something like that. Neither of these posts usually have any professional relevance, and are indeed dismissed rather quickly by other posters. Still, if it has happened in Blighty or involves RyanAir even the most pedestrian of "incidents" will make a headline on PPRuNe. In the mean time, over the last week a B757 hit microburst on arrival in BGY, resulting in a 3.5G landing and replacement of both MLGs, whilst in BRU a 767 performed a RTO resulting in numerous burst tyres and the associated Fire and Rescue "drama". I am confident the rest of the world has seen incidents of equal proportion, but none of them has made it to PPRuNe. I wonder why, ask myself why and even answer myself: This site is overpopulated by pommie wannabes and spotters. But that's allright you see, they're from Blighty. I wonder how long a post on R&N headlined "QI tailscrapes in EKYT" would survive, before getting either moved here or deleted by the mods?
I do appreciate that this site is run by Poms, but the general "feel" of the site is geared towards being international. So why is this not followed through? Sure it is easier to run the show as if it was your "home", but it's not really is it unless you live in an very large airport departure lounge.
You see, Artic, in essence I can follow your grief with this site, but unlike you I think I'll hang on untill they throw me out too. This forum quite often displays interesting discussions, and even on R&N there are interesting topics around. Until they get hijacked that is, and go off on a tangent mainly associated with something a Pom can relate to (endless bickering, personal insults etc). Hanging on at least means you can voice your opinion, object to things you disagree with. I don't know whether it will have any influence on the management, rather suspect it won't given the arrogance they quite often displays, but saying nothing and doing nothing certainly won't.
Free The SkyCod
As we have been told in no uncertain terms, this is a private site and we are here courtesy of the good will of Danny and his gang. On the face of it, that's all fine and well but I sense a distinct pecking order here on PPRuNe, where some people are more equal than others. I'm not talking Mod's here. Now this is my personal opinion, but the pecking order seems go as this:
Pommies
PPRuNe celebs (You know who they are - usually they're also Poms)
"+1000s" (Or the oldtimers - many Poms here too)
Women
Ozmates
Yanks
ROTW
To illustrate this, cast an eye on the R&N forum where almost everyday there is a new post headlined "Overrun in BFS" or "Hard Landing in LHR" or "Go-Around in NCL" or something like that. Neither of these posts usually have any professional relevance, and are indeed dismissed rather quickly by other posters. Still, if it has happened in Blighty or involves RyanAir even the most pedestrian of "incidents" will make a headline on PPRuNe. In the mean time, over the last week a B757 hit microburst on arrival in BGY, resulting in a 3.5G landing and replacement of both MLGs, whilst in BRU a 767 performed a RTO resulting in numerous burst tyres and the associated Fire and Rescue "drama". I am confident the rest of the world has seen incidents of equal proportion, but none of them has made it to PPRuNe. I wonder why, ask myself why and even answer myself: This site is overpopulated by pommie wannabes and spotters. But that's allright you see, they're from Blighty. I wonder how long a post on R&N headlined "QI tailscrapes in EKYT" would survive, before getting either moved here or deleted by the mods?
I do appreciate that this site is run by Poms, but the general "feel" of the site is geared towards being international. So why is this not followed through? Sure it is easier to run the show as if it was your "home", but it's not really is it unless you live in an very large airport departure lounge.
You see, Artic, in essence I can follow your grief with this site, but unlike you I think I'll hang on untill they throw me out too. This forum quite often displays interesting discussions, and even on R&N there are interesting topics around. Until they get hijacked that is, and go off on a tangent mainly associated with something a Pom can relate to (endless bickering, personal insults etc). Hanging on at least means you can voice your opinion, object to things you disagree with. I don't know whether it will have any influence on the management, rather suspect it won't given the arrogance they quite often displays, but saying nothing and doing nothing certainly won't.
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