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Old 28th Sep 2003, 23:33
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Snoop Renaming the company called Air Botnia

Quite a surprise that a well established company changes its name. Air Botnia will be "Blue1" in near future.
What a times we live in aviation business- all the best for the "new" company and may the more pilots get jobs.
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Is that info confirmed?
What's you source for that info?
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1. question: Yes, it is confirmed and will take place at the beginning of 2004. Blue tail and blue engines- same avros.

2. question: source is good Tarot cards

Question: Why spend a bunch of money for that...
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Devil Renaming airlines

Joo.

Tyrolean has been renamed "Austrian Arrows" together with a new color scheme of blueish tones. Looks ugly and the name sucks. Just wondering what was wrong with the old one. Rumour has it that Austrian group paid over 2.5 million Euros for the new "disaster".

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Umiddelbart forstår jeg ikke hvorfor navnet skal ændres.

Når en airline livery ikke har været ændret over en årrække, vil mange synes at de begynder at se gammeldags ud, og man vil derfor kunne opfatte dem som konservative (=dyre). Så jeg bebrejder ikke airlines der efter et antal år ændrer udseende, især tror jeg mange finder det betryggende, hvis de beholder "den røde tråd" i deres livery, som eks KLM gjorde det. Det er et simpelt reklame gimmick, men hvis det virker - what the heck. I store træk signalerer det "nyskabende, men også traditionelt som i kender os".

Andre airlines skifter udseende for et godt ord - de hedengangne SABENA og Premiair var gode eksempler. En overgang var to fly hos dem ikke ens. Det kan skabe forvirring hos kunderne, når de ikke kan genkende flyene, hverken på jorden, eller i eventuelle reklamer. Signalet er: vi ved ikke hvem vi er.

Hvis Air Botnia ville ud af SAS skygge, ville det være en logisk måde at skabe lidt afstand til deres puppetmaster. Samtidig vælger de så de finske farver, hvilket burde styrke dem, ihvert fald på hjemmemarkedet. Se bare på den positive effekt der tilkom Braathens, da de genindførte det norske flag på halen. Man kan diskutere om det styrker deres image overfor passagererne ude i Europa, da de kunder kender Air Botnia som en subcontractor for SAS. Hvordan stiller de sig til et selskab der lige pludselig tager afstand fra moderselskabet? Det svarer til hvis SunAir skiftede udseende, men fortsatte med BA samarbejde. Jeg tror ikke umiddelbart det fåe en positiv effekt udenfor Finland.

Godt så. Nok om udseende. Navnet. Hvad gik der galt??????
Normalt vil en virksomhed prøve at slå deres navn fast med syvtommmer søm i forbrugerens bevidsthed, for at sikre at de vil vælge lige netop dem næste gang de skal bruge et produkt.
I gamle dage dage, når en søn overtog en håndværkervirksomhed efter faderen, ændrerde man gerne navnet til xxx's efterfølger eller evt xxx og søn. Det var for at sikre kunderne at de stadig ville få det produkt de var vant til.
Hvis en virksomhed vælger at skift navn, bør der være en god grund: En skandinavisk virksomhed kan f.eks vælge at skifte navn hvis der er et æ,ø eller å i navnet, og de ikke rigtig kan profilere sig internationalt når kunderne ikke kan stave deres navn. Eller hvis de helt har ændret produktlinie. Eller prøver at få kunder til at glemme virksomhedens dårlige produkter fra fordums tid.
Men at ændre et navn på et selskab der ude i verden har et fornuftigt ry, oven i købet på et selskab der ikke er særlig kendt endnu, lyder helt forrykt i mine ører.
Gammelt navn: Air Botnia. Altså signalerer de at de flyver i den Botniske bugt, til og fra regionen. De får også et vist niveau af goodwill på hjemmemarkedet for at hedde noget der minder om "hjemme", igen ref Braathens norske flag.
Nyt navn: Blue 1. Hvad er det lige de prøver at signalere med det??
Blue: Øhh, et JetBlue datterselskab (nej, jeg ved forbrugeren ikke vil tro det, emn jeg kan ikke finde på noget bedre)?
1: Nummer eet? Ja, efter AY og SK. Så burde de hedde Blue 3???

Min umiddelbare konklusion må være noget i retning af: Nå, ja, det var måske ikke så dumt at ændre farven på flyene, men navnet?? I, guder, hvad har de dog tænkt på?

/FS

P.S.: Når alt det så er sagt, så har jeg en enkelt lille besked til management: Husk lige mig når i gennemgår ansøgningerne. Jeg vil ikke være så negativt stillet, hvis i ansætter mig ;-)
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Arrow Kamala nimi... What a horrible name

Me lennettiin aikoinaan reitteja jotka oli numeroitu Blue 1, Blue 2, Blue 3. Black 1 jne jne. Voipi olla etta mulla on karpasen aivot puhvelin kallossa, elikka olen tyhma, mutta kun en vaan tajua miksi yhtioiden joilla on hyvat varit ja nimi pitaa menna muuttamaan ne joksikin muuksi. Tyroleanin pilotteja uusi nimi ainakin jurppii, oisko samoin Botnian... Sori, Sinisen ykkosen pilottien kanssa?

Kiitti vaan ja Thunder

JJ

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Used to fly routes such as Blue1, Blue2, Blue3 etc. Might be that I have a flies brain in a buffalo's head, that is I am dumb, but I cant just get it why companies that have a good name ad colors have to insist on changeing them to something different.
I know for a fact that Tyrolean pilots are pi.sed off about their new identity, would it be same with Botnia... Pardon me Blue 1 pilots.

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JJ, jeg ved du kan svensk, men jeg kan ikke finsk, så det vil være lidt urimeligt at bede mig svare på din post. Kan du kort opsummere på svensk eller engelsk?

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Ei saa peittaä!
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If topic was started in english, it would be most reasonable, practical and pollite to continue it with the same language it was started. Could you, Flap Sup make your one shortly in english. Hey! and no hard feelings indeed. That's about it and back to orginal...

Terrible name indeed and why to spend so much money for it? Everybody, even AirBotnia and especially SAS are saving money on other hand and another one is a big spender... strange.

Tack och förlåt

Niin ja JJ, eka kappale ei ollut sulle... thunder vaan
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Det var nu meget bevidst at jeg skrev på dansk, eftersom vi er det nordiske forum.

Skal KF så også skifte callsign? Fra "Botnia" til "Blue" måske?
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Botnialla on tänään ollut kai pari lehdistötilaisuutta joten varmaan iltauutisissa salaisuuksien verhoa taas raotetaan lisää. Kai ne julkistavat jo aiemmin IATAlta haettujaSLOTteja mm. Pietariin, Moskovaan ja Hampuriin. Ehkäpä kenties vieläkin lisää tai sitten jotain aivan muuta, kotomaassa tuskin alkavat riehumaan enemmän kuin nyt. silti aika jännä veto SASilta. Olisi odottanut että ne olisi tehneet saman jo 1998 kun ostivat koko yhtiön.
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If topic was started in english, it would be most reasonable, practical and pollite to continue it with the same language it was started
Caught in Your own trap there Fadec?...
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Arrow Languages

I Would thing that Fadec Off was trying to prove a point with his last post written in th language of gods

I do speak Swedish. But after having lived in a non Swedish speaking enviroment for the last 7 years, and not having studied the language since 1991, my ability to use that language is somewhat limited. I do try and read short posts with relative ease. However longer posts, especially in Danish, well I have no patience to read all the way through them as it taked too long.

Therefore I suggest that if English is used in the initial post we continue using that language throughout that thread, but should one use another language, also provide a translation to a common language. Any takers on that?

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I agree JJ,

Of course one can say that put all the english post to other forums but, since the great nordic pilots are so few and our news and happenings do not intrest so many in "public forums" I have thought that I would be nice to keep conversation here where it hurts
Unfortunately I can deal with english better that scandinaviska and that why I have to use it in NORDIC NON-ENGLISH forum, sorry folks for that but otherwise we can call it a day.
I was not fallen to my own trap like JJ mentioned, I just wanted to prove my point that if I was using one of the nordic non-english language, many of you, my fellow pilots could not follow the conversation.

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Tässäpä taas yksi syy *puolustaa* pakko-Ruotsia

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Det lader til at halv-russerne med deres ungarske dialekt har overtaget forummet.
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Arrow Getting personal

Not very nice. We are not Swedes nor are we Russians.
Personally I find it actually quite insulting to call as half-russians with Hungarian dialect neither which is correct.
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JJ,

mon ikke det var ment i en god tone? Du skulle bare høre hvad vi danskere kalder svenskerne, eller endnu værre, hvad svenskerne kalder nordmændene
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Danger Maybe we can keep this in professional manner

Even if we face the facts that we dealing with The Great Danes( I do not mean those dogs, or do I) whom magnificent country I fly over and pass less than five minutes or even better, people from nation who has right to exist only because those half russians have fought their wars during the last centuries.

I'm pissed off.

Open the ****ing own topic for that **** above, this one is for conversation about the new name of Air Botnia/Blue1


Denmark- the northest country of Africa

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Fadec, for mig er det ligegyldigt om du skriver på finsk eller engelsk.
Jeg fatter alligevel ikke hvad du mener.
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