Journo's getting it right
 

An oxymoron surely? Especially when the article talks about Nimrod, and shows a picture of a VC 10.......:sad:

:D:D:D Bravo!

Other defence companies should take note - delivered on time, in budget and to the agreed spec! :ok:

LJ

LJ,

With no RTS the latter aspect remains to be seen.

EG

Chug

Could I ask you to clarify where in UK Law it legislates military RTS? I'm just curious what deemed it illegal.

LJ

EG

I guess we'll wait and see...

LJ

LJ:-
It's Military Law not to make a false written statement or certification. That applies to all that are subject to Military Law, in particular it applied to ACAS. He received a CAR from Controller Aircraft that granted "Switch on Only" clearance for the Chinook HC2. Apart from being an almost useless Controller Aircraft Release, and possibly unique, it made the aircraft effectively inoperable other than for ground training purposes only. You could switch on the comms/nav suite but not use it let alone rely on it.
Despite that, ACAS signed an RTS and the aircraft went into Sqn service, even though it was still undergoing the BD testing regime, who as we now know grounded their aircraft because it was "positively dangerous" and urged the RAF to do the same. The very next day ZD576 crashed, killing all 29 on board.
I believe that the RTS procedure is now different and under the auspices of the MAA. The above arrangement was supposed to be foolproof, as both men (CA and ACAS) had to sign together that the aircraft type was airworthy and fit for service. It would seem that the system, the men and the aircraft all failed that test. The system has been altered but is still compromised in that the operator (MOD) issues its own RTS's (via the MAA). Neither the accident nor the actions of ACAS have yet been properly investigated, despite evidence being supplied to Haddon-Cave, Lord Philip, and the Provost Marshal.

TroutMaster, I assume you have never frequented sites such as FighterControl or UKAR, or even FlightRadar 24.

Martin, is your point that it's okay to break OPSEC here because others do on other sites?

Why is it okay at all, anywhere?

I suppose it depends on perspective. If you are safely on the ground and know about timings because you are close to the program, or know someone who is (and you want to impress the hell out of everyone), then you might be inclined to post with a certain abandon. Dr Pepper, and all that.

However, if you are sat in the jet, you will be disinclined to publicly post your operating times, (or, say, if you have family in the jet).

Anybody know any interesting stories about people in the job posting things up that they shouldn't?

I do, it wasn't a happy outcome.

Sorry to be all doom and gloom, just making a point of order.

TM

Chugalug

Good reply. IIRC from the evidence to Phillip the FADEC was not allowed in the aircraft either which is a hell of a constraint when you want to start up engines!

TEEEJ,

How did you manage to subvert the 'minimum 10 characters in a post' rule? Do tell!

As a result of our free and capitalistic society members of the public have ready access to watches and cameras, amongst other things. Pretty sure some spotter watching from the provided area just off the A15 (N53 10'33 W 0 30'45) could just as easily post the info. Tough job making a 'plane the size of an RJ invisible in broad daylight and good weather.

Ugly



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Best get rid of it then.

Lumpy


Sneaky

Dumb question time.

Are the engines / engines + pylons interchangeable with the E-3Ds?

S41

Squirrel 41

I believe that E-3D is CFM56-2A and RJ is CFM56-2B. The E-3D has thrust reversers but the RJ doesn't. Also E-3D's CFMs create more thrust but weigh more (due to reversers)

LJ

Willard and Just This Once.....u seem to be trying to be clever, but you have missed the point. The spotters spotted the plane as it came in, having been (disappointingly) forewarned. The press release was after it landed.

OPSEC was broken when the landing time and refuelling point was posted at @0220. Do try to follow the story.

Let's be clear, though, you long time posters think this is okay, right?

It's an interesting debate no?

Do you think it's okay to post timings like this?

Are you military? Good debate, eh?

TM

Much like all the operations over the Balkans back in the 1990s then!

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