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You make the movers sound like Nuns. I never came across one that couldn't be bribed to let something through.
I won't go into details but I did fairly well over the years, but I never took the piss, allways stuff for me and close mates never anything to sell on for profit etc. |
I've heard this story from 2 different (not press) sources.
We're talking about commercial quantitites into Lyneham and Brize. What concerns me is what the Afghans will do with all the hard currency going the other way - I wouldn't be surprised if the cash makes its way to a few of the anti-west factions..... S78 |
Rigger 1, I'm a mover. You've obviously never tried to bribe me, or you wouldn't have posted the drivel above. It really is quite ridiculous, suggesting every member of my Trade Group is on the make.
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Sadly this is nothing new. Having been at Rompers Green for the last 22 years I know that there have been individuals from all parts of the trucking empire inolved in scams like this. The difference is that this time they got caught and rightly so. Perhaps it will be a lesson to all. The sad thing is that a lot of people have worked hard and their efforts have now been overshadowed by the stupidity of a small minority.
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A bit? New cars, mortgages paid off, cash found in one of the houses? Sounds like you are trying to pretend this is only about 400 fags. Get real they are deep in the poo and deserve everything they get.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif Of course they deserve what they get. The thing that annoyed me over all this was the sun jumping up and down spouting bollocks. |
If you wanted to go by what (as a civilian) you're allowed, UK customs wise, then yes there's no limit (other than that it has to be for personal consumption) but you have to provide proof of purchase and proof that they are tax paid. Your chogie cleaner at BAS won't be able to provide you with either. So either way the bottom line is, it's an allowance of 200. |
"Air Movs personnel are as equally appalled as everyone else; perhaps they are best placed to root out the miscreants"
Erm, no. I'd say RAFP SIB are best placed to root out the miscreants. It's their job. Air Movs Personnel are best employed on air movements. Not on investigating crime. |
Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
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Air Movs Personnel are best employed on air movements.
Even that is highly debatable. Reduce to the ranks, dismiss in disgrace, 10 years no remission then shot. |
Customs had these people under surveillance for months. Downsizer, do yourself a favour, stick to something you know something about. RAFP SIB doing speed checks? That'll be why they're level 3 qualified investigators.... Station lads do speed checks. Level 3 investigators cover serious crime. Do keep up, idiot, and refrain from commenting on things where you have no professional knowledge. |
The tightest procedures and heaviest security will never defeat human nature. Some people will always be tempted to break the law for personnal gain, whatever the risk.
That said I find the airside security at military airports lamentable, especially when compared to civil airports. Maybe this will be reviewed now. downziser - Customs do not have the manpower to do what you suggest. They cant be everywhere all the time. I think it is a sad day for the movements trade, especially when you consider the actions of a minority have cast a shadow over the majority. The guys responsible should get whatever can be thrown at them civil and service. I also dont think the trade has a bad reputation, the majority of posts here back that up. A slagging fest is not what is needed right now. |
Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
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they're level 3 qualified.
And when they have finished 'Janet and John Book 4' they will be Level 4 qualified. Joking aside, the RAF SIB are highly respected by ................. ......Themselves:{ |
If they are proven guilty, regardless of whether or not they abused repat flights, then...bast*rds.
I simply cannot fathom why someone would wish to risk their jobs and reputation for an extra 200 B+H. Meanwhile they're conduct will have an serious effects on the rest of us. |
In the old days up to about 168 days detention was done at MCTC Colchester, anything more Sheppton Mallet until it closed. Will these people be tried under the military or the civilian system?
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There seems to be a few posters on here who seem to condone smuggling, as long as it is in small quantities. I'm not going to jump on the outrage express but just for the record if you bring in any quantity over the HMRC limit, or sell-on your duty-free, then you have broken the law - it's your choice. |
One thing aircrew should take note of is that if HMRC do a rummage and find contraband on a miitary aircraft, it takes a lot of convincing talk to persude them that as the captain you are not involved. I know this from experience!
After my incident, I found I was the subject of more rummages than could be considered usual. On a return form one detachment, I heard a rumour that one passenger was significantly over his limit. I got everyone on the flight to sign a declaration that they understood the limits and that they were persoanlly responsible for all their excess duty. One thing I have found is that if you do want to bring in something expensive over the limit, a call to HMRC to discuss it is well worth the time. I have bought in an expensive watch and a set of golf clubs in the past. They seem to appreciate your honesty and are very amenable to come to an arrangement which is usually in your favour. |
Laar 72
Downsizer, do yourself a favour, stick to something you know something about. |
"Air Movs personnel are as equally appalled as everyone else; perhaps they are best placed to root out the miscreants" |
I wasn’t trying to make this into a movers bashing thread, I have defended you lot in the past, but it is rapidly going that way.
Please read my first post on this carefully, I am not saying I think the entire movement’s trade is open to bribery, I am saying that I never came across someone who for a slab etc wouldn’t overlook the 5 Gps’s in my bergan coming back from an American base, or the 3 packs of fags when I’m entitled to 2. And before anyone starts yes it is against the law, and yes if you get caught you can’t moan about it, but that’s the risk you take when breaking the law. It’s interesting to see everyone moan on here about it when I bet 99% of us have had a beer that has arrived having bypassed customs or a cigarette, or had that new watch on our wrist that we never went out with. If you are taking the mick and bringing in stupid amounts they deserve everything they get, just let’s not forget most of us have done it, and if you honestly think the majority are innocent you haven’t been in the forces very long. |
Most of the posters are posting on assumption or gossip which has almost certainly come from the Movers. Now the press have got hold of it, wait and see what the NOTW come out with. This never happened on Thursday its been going on for a while,(it has been kept within the service enviroment) all of a sudden lots of experts in the know are ranting on about how the 'Movers' have messed it up for everyone. Let the relevant people do their investigations and I know we will be surprised at the size of it when its all resolved. Ben Hur does spring to mind.
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This particular case has been ongoing and well "gossiped" about in theatre for months.
Lets just wait on the trial and verdict of the individuals involved, and I for one believe they deserve to be made a good example of and given a severe punishment, but please lets not degenerate this thread into another "Movers bashing" one, as we all know it only takes a few rotten apples to bring us all down. Lets think before we post, everyone is working extremely hard at present to get the task completed, so lets not slag one particular trade off just because of a few greedy individuals. :ok: |
Putting the smuggling issue to one side, what is appalling is that the editor of some well known rag has used this
AN RAF gang has been using flights bringing home fallen heroes for a smuggling operation. Anyway, it must be a load of bollox otherwise my old mate SFFP would have been waxing lyrical about Movers. ;) |
BBC and MOD comment
RAF arrests in smuggling inquiry Two members of the RAF have been arrested as part of an investigation into the suspected smuggling of tobacco through a military base in Wiltshire. The allegations concern cigarettes being smuggled on military flights between Afghanistan and RAF Lyneham. The RAF confirmed a joint investigation was being carried out by military police and HM Revenue and Customs. It rejected claims that repatriation flights were involved, in which troops' bodies are flown home. |
A bit off thread but quite amusing - landing at Manston many years ago, Customs came out to search our Wessex 5. They found nothing exciting but we were half a bottle of Scotch over the limit and they said they were going to confiscate it. Quick thinking - we said what if we all sat around the aircraft and drank it? The lovely customs chaps said fine as long as they could join in! If only I had a photo of us sitting in the sun drinking whisky with the customs..............:) It made the subsequent transit to Culdrose, where Junglies were based then, sooooooooooooo smooth:)
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What would have happened if you suffered a main gearbox failure PS: In the case of a MGB failure, I personally think that being pi§§ed is the way to go. |
Just who is this idiot that keeps changing just a few letters in a name and making inane posts ??? Is there some way of stopping him/them ??
Edit: Yes there is and its under way. |
OmegaV6
I agree. An obsevation. Whoever it is, his/her prose and sentence structure is very similar to another 'regular' poster who has been strangely quiet of late. AIDU, are you playing games? |
I was once nicked upon landing at Lyneham after a Hercy flight back from Dubai. The Smirnoff citron had got the better of me mid-flight. Chops M embarked made a gash allegation that lead to my subsequent arrest on the pan.
In Lyneham guardhouse - kitbag emptied & itemised..."You've got a fair few fags over the limit here I think mate!" was the comment from a lady sgt RAFP (I think). My reply was ..."Yeah but I reckon I'll be ok by morning though!" Night was spent smoking fags in green ovies in the guardhouse until FOST legal gave the all clear for me to go on leave morning after. Got 7 days pay fine on return to ship but got a free breakfast at Lyneham though, and a buckshee rail warrant...WINNER! (Chops M tried to say I had threatened him verbally mid flight - long running feud. he came unstuck with explaining how he heard me wearing 2 sets of earduffs though. Got done for being navigationally unaware while transiting aft for a pi$$ though). |
Anything the Brits can do, the Spams can do much worse:
Guardsmen charged with smuggling Ecstasy on C-5 "Guardsmen charged with smuggling Ecstasy on C-5 4/14/2005 - SAN ANTONIO (AFPN) -- Two Airmen from the New York Air National Guard's 105th Airlift Wing have been charged with importing narcotics from Germany to the United States after being arrested April 12 on federal narcotics charges, according to a release from the U.S. Attorney's office for the southern district of New York. Capt. Franklin Rodriguez, a C-5 Galaxy pilot, and Master Sgt. John Fong, a C-5 loadmaster, were found with 28 large bags officials believed to contain about 290,000 pills of Ecstasy in their luggage upon return from an overseas mission April 12. The Airmen are charged with one count of conspiracy to import Ecstasy into the United States and one count of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute Ecstasy. "Ecstasy is an extremely harmful drug that is abused mainly by teenagers and young adults," said John Gilbride, special agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration's New York field division. Federal law enforcement agents arrested the Airmen shortly after their aircraft landed at Stewart Air National Guard Base. If convicted, the Airmen face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison on each count and a $1 million fine on each count. (Information compiled from U.S. Attorney press release)" |
They were Americans - that figure counts as personal use:}
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In 1982 whillst in the South Atlantic we waited eagerly for the mail to arrive.....onyl to discover that some thieving person had opened the mail and taken things out. It was soon discovered that the people were RAF Movers at Ascension Island. As far as I am concerned, RAF Movers are theives, liars and crooks.
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Seperoid you really are chimp.
Perhaps I should now generalise all ground crew and officers as to$$ers just because I've met or worked with a few bad ones? For such a wild allegation i hope you have proof that they opened HM mail bags! I say again you are a chimp! MM |
In 1982 whillst in the South Atlantic we waited eagerly for the mail to arrive.....onyl to discover that some thieving person had opened the mail and taken things out. It was soon discovered that the people were RAF Movers at Ascension Island. As far as I am concerned, RAF Movers are theives, liars and crooks.
You statment goes from Person to People...bit of clarity required there if your throwing stones...Gimp |
Spheroid
I challenge you to come and say that I am a thief to my face in person. Do not tar all people with the same brush. |
I didn't tar movers with the same brush....the thieving ratbags who stole the photographs of my children did that....Those rats who stole money, personal momentos and photographs from the mail of fellow servicemen, servicemen who were being killed by the enemy, servicemen who were putting their lives on the line....and all so that those thieves, liars and crooks could steal from their mail..... those are the people you should be targetting.
Now, if you want people to stop thinking that movers are crooks, liars and thieves then you need to tell the movers to stop stealing stuff and to stop smuggling stuff...... |
Hang em high.........
Gents, I was told this first hand by a sqn exec when it happened who was totally shocked by the level at which people would stoop to make money. The box in question was evidently marked as PE's of an individual and placed on the aircraft by persons for collection by the movers on arrival. It was manifested as PE's but the people responsible for removing the PE's were only aware of one box and thus the crew were alerted and the other box taken away for investigation before the box could be collected by others. There are rotten apples in every barrel and I for one hope they receive the full punishment appropriate to their crime, dishonorable discharge and loss of pension etc. Did it sell a few more newspapers, probably not but it did bring the RAF into disrepute and that is another matter that said individuals need to be punished for.
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spheroid
Ha ha that's some rant. I just hope before you carry on you have proof of what you say. If so, can we assume the individuals in question were caught, arrested and thrown out of the RAF (i hope so). If not why not, perhaps another sweeping generalisation. Re-read your post you did tar us all with the same brush. Chimp MM |
On another note, I hope all those involved in the ciggie incident hang their heads in shame and those found guilty are kicked out. No place in my trade (or any) for these individuals.
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Now what has happened is a real shame and I dont condone this in any way shape or form. I am a Mover and to see all these people tar all mover's with the same brush I think is a little out of order. This may be a big deal with the amount of cigarettes and the lenghth of time this has been going on, they deserve everything that they will get, I know the indaviduals and unfortunatly I would not have thought they would have run the risk just to make a few pounds. Now I also know aircrew that have pulled a fast one with the odd ride on lawnmower or two!!! and everyone has turned a blind eye.
Lets just leave it to the authorities to sort this out and please stop speculating on what has happened or what will happen to the movements trade, because their will be alot of fallout from this and it will come down hard on all movers!!!. To those involved that think they have got away with it, think on to those that have been caught they know your names and to get a lesser sentance they will sing like a bird!!!!!! To everyone else lets just see what happens. |
To those involved that think they have got away with it, think on to those that have been caught they know your names and to get a lesser sentance they will sing like a bird!!!!!! |
Airbourne Aircrew
I think you miss the point!! There are alot of people involved and I hope they all get caught. There is no room in the movements trade for people like this or in any trade for that matter. |
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