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621andy 21st July 2007 18:02

I can't even begin to imagine what sort of noise that must've made! I remember seeing a single Lightning doing a display at Weston on the mud airport back in the 70s. He went down the runway at head height and then put the pole on the stops and went vertical:E

I can still hear and feel the noise now:ok:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 21st July 2007 18:03


it looks like a high wing to me,
Too much dihedral for that IMHO

BEagle 21st July 2007 18:14

On further thought, if not a Lincoln, then possibly one of the last Lancasters - not taken out of service until 1956?

One of my early memories of the Lightning was when one came to a rain-soaked World Aerobatics Championships at RAF Hullavington. Flying had pretty well stopped, when out of the gloom came this roaring monster with its prominent reheat trails.

The beer tent emptied in an instant as the Lightning wired the crap out of the place in an epic, noisy low level display of power and manoeuvrability!

Great stuff. Rather more so than the 'Spirit of Misadventure' rubbish of 40 years later....

RETDPI 21st July 2007 18:41

1. Obviously a Lincoln ( Looks as if it could be Farnborough - Napiers Lincoln?)
2. Farnborough '61.

om15 21st July 2007 18:43

Have we a date on this? the first Lightnings were delivered to the RAF late 1960, so the film must be around that time, the last in service Lanc was RF325, a MR 3 from St Mawgan, last flight Oct 15 1956, the Lincolns were in service up to c1963 I think.
The wings look definatly Avro, and the fuse is too slim for a Hastings, I would go for a Lincoln, second guess Shack.
First saw the aircraft in early 60s at airshows, later worked on them for a while,( 73-78) designed and built in less than ideal conditions, its a shame that we can't build such classic aeroplanes today, really was something special.
Best regards,
om15

forget 21st July 2007 19:00

I've changed the contrast, but not much you can do with resolution.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/kjuh.jpg

om15 21st July 2007 19:09

Avro York?

forget 21st July 2007 19:17

I'd say that RETDPI may have cracked it. Lincoln, Napier icing trials aircraft. The upper surfaces are pale grey with black panels aft of the engines.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...as/0223291.jpg

Chugalug2 21st July 2007 20:26

And yet I wonder, on second thoughts I now plump for the C-87 version of the Liberator. Featured in Ernest K Gann's classic "Fate is the Hunter", and in which he nearly came to grief at Agra, narrowly missing the Taj Mahal after take off, due to being ever so slightly over-weight owing to a very understandable error in recorded fuel uplift and the fact that there were no fuel gauges fitted! Thank goodness such discrepancies are now a thing of the past!

....unless, unless...could it possibly be a Junkers Ju 290?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 22nd July 2007 00:10


....unless, unless...could it possibly be a Junkers Ju 290?
...forced down by the Lightning?

John Eacott 22nd July 2007 06:43


Originally Posted by liobian
To answer the original question - Damn- Right, I do !

I don't know how often (years) they did that stream departure for the show, but I do recall seeing it. IIRC I went with my Dad. Guessing '64 or '65 ?
The ground verily shook, along with all my internal bits. Totally Brilliant !!

ISTR seeing the first stream departure at Farnborough in 1962, or thereabouts. I also remember the crowd line being amazingly close to the runway, and as liobian said, the ground shaking as the Lightnings departed :eek: :D :ok:

BEagle 22nd July 2007 07:42

OK - I'll go with Lincoln!

Outboard engine is at roughly 50% semi-span on the Lancaster, whereas for the Lincoln it was less (40%) due to the 20 ft greater wingspan.

And not an early Shack, I guess, as no dorsal turret.

threeputt 22nd July 2007 15:07

Hullavington 1970-World Aeros Champs
 
I was there as well, detached from Lyneham for two weeks, as the RAF Air trafficker. Pilot of the said furball was Flt Lt Sandy D***es. Best FJ display I have ever seen.:ok::D Next met him when he was Wg Cdr Ops at Dhahran in 1991, top bloke.

3P

green granite 22nd July 2007 17:53

enhanced a bit not sure it helps though, except to say single tail fin I think.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...unknownAC1.jpg

Pontius Navigator 22nd July 2007 18:23

GG, that was my first thought then I noticed that dark edge on the right tailplane.

Not a York their fuselage was far wider. I go with BEags about the wing span. Don't go for Liberator as this looks like a tail dragger.

RETDPI 22nd July 2007 19:05

74's Lightning stream take off was certainly performed at the SBAC show in September '61. I can confirm that event as it was my first Farnborough; albeit as a young spectator on that occasion. Coincidentally the Napier de-icing research Lincoln was also there in the static park. However, I don't think this was the time the Lincoln in the movie was imaged, since 'PRJ then had the wing section mounted up on the fuselage.

h73kr 22nd July 2007 19:18

Nice film, and true to the spirit of the Lightning mobile fuel leak, needed air-to -air refuel 2 1/2 minutes in to the film!

Remember being 'attacked' by Lightnings once when on deployment in Denmark, very impressive. Was even more impressive due to the fact they had flown over from Scotland to do the attack, and no-one bothered raising the alarm......, low, fast, noisy, bit of a surprise as I was ambling across open ground at the time! :ugh:

green granite 22nd July 2007 20:52

This from a different frame gives a better view of the wing shape.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...unknownAC2.jpg

Pontius Navigator 22nd July 2007 20:57

Our OC Admin had blagged a T-bird ride, about '68, at Binbrook during an exercise. The bomber stream had two targets - North Coates - straight down the throat of the SAM site and Catfoss for a passing shot from North Coates.

After overflying North Coates the bombers overflew Binbrook.

About mid-morning Binbrook was brought to cockpit readiness and our OC A, an ex-Observer and ex-OC 7, waited expectantly with the tele-brief burbling "Raids Imminent" as the might Vs thundered overhead. As they had all been downed by SAM there was no trade for the Lightnings.

Eventually the raid petered out and it looked like a busted flush when suddenly they got a scramble order - Faker inbound, 50 miles FL 410. Two minutes later the Faker was identified as Friendly airliner on the blueway. Two minutes 30 seconds - Chicken, RTB. Flight time 10 minutes. :}

GeeRam 22nd July 2007 21:28

Nice footage in this clip, including early colour footage of, I think, Jimmy Dell at Warton, and air-to-air colour clips of the Firebirds team and later stuff from the last years at Binbrook.......:ok:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfnX0xd1k9E


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