Question for Moderators:
 

Would you mind telling me why it is that you censor out the odd profanity yet you are quiet happy to leave on the boards such oafish racial slurs as put up by Pontius Navigator Military Aircrew, " The Reaction of the British Captives to the Iranians " 8 April 2007 Page 5 1843 ) to wit - - " I looked a little different from the little yellow slit eyed bastards " Does this forum really need this gutter talk ?

James

Ummm, wasn't he paraphrasing from the quote of the actual POW?

Dear Mods

Please, please don't be influenced by poor Mr Leite being upset by Pontius Navigator's direct quote from a Vietnam War POW.

If we can't discuss historical subjects or draw historical parallels directly quoting the language of the time, PPRuNe will be the poorer for it. If Mr Leite wants history sanitised for his PC sensibilities, then I would suggest Mil Aircrew is not his forum.

An Teallach;

Quote or not it makes no difference. Pontius Navigator saw fit to put it up. Your reaction makes me think you dont like the word " oafish " as perhaps it is a little to close to the bone.

James.

I think this needs to go to a vote:

All those in favor of changing history, so that it makes no sense, but pacifies the PC brigade, raise your right hand.

All those in favor of keeping the records of the past as accurate as possible, raise your left hand.

Considering it was a quote from the Vietnam War, it sounds perfectly appropriate to me. It wasnt directed at you Leite; if it was, you might have been justified in your position.

As it stands, sanitising the past for the sake of political correctness in the present, is in itself bloody ridiculous. :ugh:

ZH, one left hand has been duly raised :)

ZH, one left hand has been duly raised here also:)

Left hand up

I'm sure neither PN, me or anyone else on the forum could give two hoots about the word 'oafish'. At the risk of sending Mr Leite into paroxisms of PC outrage, a small glossary:

Frogs, Bog-trotters, Boxheads, Huns, Nips, Wogs, Dagos, Eyeties, Wops, Ragheads, and, I'm sure you won't like this up you, Fuzzy-Wuzzies. All racial terms used at various times to describe people we were pitched against, often in conjunction with other epithets of which Bastard is one of the tamer.

Dry your eyes and write a letter to the Grauniad if it upsets you.

Good call, ZH. I vote we let history stand and learn from it rather than try to deny it.

Well, I'm left-handed anyway.

HMG pump out enough PC rubbish without it creeping in here.

Left hand here fellas, can't abide the history crushing due to the current craze of being overly sensitive.

Should've applied a bit more skin thickening cream chap!

TTH

so anytime a newspaper quoted someone using profanities/racism, would you sue them too Leite?
what sort of a consensually lovemaking, differently sexually oriented, child of an inclusive single parent relationship are you James?

"Does this forum really need this gutter talk ?"

What would you know? With six posts now, including responses, you're a newbie so have no clue as to what this forum does or doesn't need.

Need I remind you that it's the military aircrew forum? Anyone with a passing familiarity with military folk would expect robust language and no tolerance for PC.

And finally, PN is one of the more thoughtful (and dare I say liberal?) members of this forum, and was directly quoting, NOT endorsing, what someone else said.

If you don't like it, I strongly suggest that you bug.ger off somewhere more fluffy.

Oh, now I get it.


"Bast*rd" set you off........

Not that it matters that much but left hand up with the big boys - being a specky tw@t whose ancestors were Box-heads, Jew-boys and Frogs in no particular order and has a home that looks like a branch of the UN. PC my well-know website run for our Army chums!

Left for me.
James, please get over yourself. It was a reference to a direct historical quote and in this forum, perfectly valid.
PS:
If you want some harsh banter, feel free to stick around...
:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

LEFT hand :ok:

ZH

Would it be cheating if I sat on my left hand for half an hour before raising it so that I may pretend it's someone else?

Left hand from me:

What was Guy Gibsons dog called again?

We are a poorer world for having children who never play outside, nor ride bikes, nor get cuts & bruises, and have no idea what discipline, or respect means. The tree hugging PC brigade will have a lot to answer for when their children cannot separate right from wrong.

The recent past may have chosen inappropriate words, but it was a differant world then, and despite the objections raised to initiate this thread, it was a better world in many respects.

James Leite: If you are a troll, then well done, you have caught a whale. If you are for real, then grow up and get a life.

AT don't ever change.....

Egads & strewth!!

You guys sure can wade into a poor sod, can't you?

Spare him now, wont you? ;)

Yawn....
James this is a mil forum and as such is, to be honest one of the 'more' restained out there.
Me? I'm voting with the left hand.....

Now if the postings here offend and IMHO they don't.... can I suggest you may find this forum more to your taste??? While there, make a quick visit to The NAAFI Bar and ask the same question there :eek: it could well produce a more satisfying and enlightened response :E :E :E

Actually, I think that the replies are being relativly gentle on the PC loving newby who ran to the moderators at the first sign of something he found mildly offensive.

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Anti PC
 

Forgive me for making this a long post, but I feel that James has struck an issue here that goes to the root of our current education and apologetics culture. We are no longer able to rationally discuss events that have happened in history due to the ‘impact’ it may have on religions/cultures today. For this we are worse in the knowledge our children are getting and in their understanding of the world as it has been shaped today.

We (well at least I did) have stood against the Communist regime, a regime that was the doubletalk of 1984 (a George Orwell novel for those too young to know), that sanitised history to suit its own ends. Today we are now in the grip of a government that does the same, doubletalk newspeak or spin (as it’s now known) is everywhere.

What defines us is the fact we have a history it means that we did some good and grand things in the scheme of the world, it also means that we carried out some horrific acts too……BUT we understood this and have now reflected upon on these acts we changed ourselves, our laws and principles and we now stand for a better world.

If we deny our history and heritage to ourselves and our children are we better for it or poorer, I for one think that we would be poorer and that we would end up on the road to a non-thinking government controlled state, spoon fed from cradle to the grave. (oops we are almost there)

So my left hand is raised I stand against PC behaviour, it is wrong, we have to be able to cite examples from the past and at times we have to use that language to convey the message.

PCness is the failure of a society to examine itself, to be strong to say yup that’s us, call a spade a spade. If people cannot be robust enough to face their own failings may god help us.

No I’m not a BNP supporter either.

As long as it's not mine.......

ZH
To what 'it' are you referring?

Yours aye
An Teallach
Non-PC Jockinese Poofter off out to listen to Tomas Lynch, friend and bog-trotting Uillean Piper!

Left Hand UP! - Sorry I don't do PC.

Left - and so is my friend!!!:\

Dry your eyes, Princess.

Left hand raised.

Wanna bet PC-James will insist it be called 'Trigger' or 'Digger'!! :}

Bit strange this one - very new and seems to me to be opposing normal military values in his posts e.g. pro the others. Are we all biting when we should let James get his info somewhere else? I smell a rat?:oh:

James has an interesting history which might have bearing on his initial comment:

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or

So James clearly has a position and equally clearly is quite open about it; well done James.

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/31136...ures/OhRly.jpg

:ok:

PN


:hmm:

The plot, as they say, thickens!!

You don't think it's (adopt stereotyped Korean accent now) Admin Gulu in disguise, do you?;)

Well done PN, my left hand salutes you.

Of course !!!

James is a wannabe member of team america - world rule makers !!

Come on son, all this flack and no reply.....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Out of respect for my box-head mates, I shall be careful not to raise any arm too stiffly......:cool:

James

You can checkout, but you can't leave!

And you can run, but can't hide!! :ouch:

Left hand raised

Re Gibsons Dog. Bought my own copy of 'The Dambusters' on DVD as I'm p**sed off with TV censorship.