Airman Aircrew pay review
 

I have been hearing various rumours about the impending pay and conditions review and would like to hear what any AA (mainly AEOp) have to say about it??????



ALWAYS assume NEVER check

May I suggest that in our own interests we DON'T speculate about it on here? The review will be announced on 6 Feb 03 with roadshows starting there after. We have less than 2 weeks to wait. I personally have a lot riding on the outcome and I strongly advise we don't give them an excuse at this late stage to pull the rug out!!

Dude
I think the best advice I could give you is bend over and brace yourself, just hope they dont go in dry:eek:

By the way nice handle:p

Surely someone must know something by now? It was released today!
Came on here expecting the site to be chocka with posts, but looks like my faith in human nature has been shattered!!

Whilst we all hope for some sort of financial gain don't forget its not a pay review it's a Sustainability Study.
Call me synical but I can't see a whole lot of loot coming our way!
Still, up North find out today and hopefully someone will post the contents here later. Keep smiling they don't know what youre thinking!:D

For those that can, Intranet access required:

http://www.publications.raf.r.mil.uk...asp?DocIDNo=45

Makes for interesting reading

Brief points are here: -

http://www.airmenaircrew.freeserve.c...ommon/aass.htm

Full report coming to an Royal English Air Farce base soon!!!


I'm alright Jack

Airman Aircrew pay review.
 

For all interested parties doon Sooth:
A 20k bonus for all those at their 17 year point. If already served between 17 & 22 then it wil be a % of.
A professional aircrew spine for all those chosen having attained the rank of F/S at the 22yr point. This gets rid of flying pay but substantially increases basic pay and therefore making greater pensionable opportunities. Other stuff involves swingeing changes througout the training and recruitment enviroments.A fair attempt at addressing the current problems within the profession.

Great to see the news about the Airman (Aircrew) Sustainability result - at last the people who need it most have got the recognition they deserve (not sure what the folks on 22-plus and 13-minus years will be thinking though?).

Some tips for not being so cold down the back:

a. Spend more time in the Galley - the Teapot makes a great hot water bottle.

b. Load the bags more quickly and work up a sweat.

c. Seek a commission - its "Warmer in the middle".

P.S. To "Freezin'in the back" - didn't realise that any of :sad: ones' or Whiskas' gangs had the capacity to form actual thoughts.

Keep Smilin'* / Moanin'*

*Delete as appropriate

Warminthemiddle,
If you have a commission yourself and sit in the middle how the bl00dy hell would you know what a teapot is for.
ps the galley is next to the bog!:}

On the subject of the airmen aircrew susblah... 12 yrs done thinking of PVRing what incentive is there in it for me to complete 22. The way I see it the RAF is going to give people who are in the pension draw and have no intention or little of leaving, 20k for doing what they were going to do anyway. I thought the incentive would be to keep people in after their 22. Correct me if I am wrong this is based on crew room chat as we have not been briefed yet

airman aircrew sustainability.
 

To Escapee . . .
My reply earlier to the original post is as accurate as my memory will allow. I think that those serving between 3 and 12 already have a bonus scheme, at 4 and 7.5 yrs. (I may be mistaken).
Listening to the chat in the crew-room this afternoon, people seem happier than I expected, particularly with a section of the brief indicating how surprised the powers that be were with our complete lack of faith to date in the leaderhip. This has been and will continue to be, addressed as a matter of urgency. Stable door and horse bolting spring to mind but at least the problem has been recognised!

Can somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here, but havn't us AA who have just shown allegiance by staying in past the 22 year point and now in our 23rd year, been once again, cast aside. It was only 2 years ago that they paid out to our fellow MACR who had completed the 22 years, whilst colleagues in my position fell short by 12 months. We have already suffered the humility of the down grading of experianced squadron FS but how much more can we take. I am positive that there must be many more AA in my position and would value your comments.

bah humbug,
what a total crock we have been sold and the powers that be know it (AASS gets a good old slating in the AFPRB's 31st report). Wow a £20K FRI for those at their 17yr point and a percentile payment for those with less 5yrs to run, this incentive is only to run for 3yrs so yet again their airships have a short term solution to a long term problem. It was good to read that flying pay is to be paid dependant on rearcrew employment, once they have got the mystical computer fixed in 2005 (I have got to admire the gall of that blatant lie)

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:


ALWAYS assume NEVER check

Having gone into it in great detail, there is absolutely nothing in it for me. I have done over 22 years, with 2 years to my age 47 exit point.

So let me see, you want me to go to the desert for 6 months out of my last 2 years and take a 5K paycut when the bonuses aren't replaced. Mmm I don't think so!!!!!

My PVR went in at 1330 hrs.

Most of you guys will moan and b*tch but VERY FEW of you (If any at all) will actually vote with your feet. So you get what you deserve I am afraid.. :rolleyes:

Airmen Aircrew or should I now say NC Aircrew, is there anything in it for those who have passed the 22 yr point, i.e. can they join the new professional aircrew spine, opt out of commissioning and have the flying pay included with the basic pay, leading on to a higher pension? Also worthy of note that the FS and MACR ALMs are still in the lower pay band :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :yuk:
edited for spelling, don't spell 2 good when upset.

Airman Aircrew pay review
 

I have just completed 22yrs , too late to get the 5k bonus. I don't see that I will get anything out of this review.
A solution perhaps is for a lot of AA who have not reached their 12yr point, or have passed their 22yr point to Pvr / Ngr, then form a limited company and sell their services back to the RAF. It would only take 40-60 AEOp's to do this and the RAF wouldn't cope.
:mad: you bet I am!!

I don't qualify for any of the bonuses and it is unlikey that I'll qualify for the PA spine. I can however see and understand what the powers have tried to do. Let's be honest , you are never going to please everyone without looking at individuals' case by case. Even then I'm sure that we would still have some unhappy puppies.
The flying pay thing will never be resolved. Get used to it. We were all expecting an increase, `aint never 'gonna happen. The O's pay may come down to match ours but ours will never reflect the closed shop that is O's flying pay!
Like others have already said, "if you aren`t happy then just do one" and take up one of the many jobs available for us out there.
The desert beckons and I'll see you all out there.

Reading into it....

The 20k is taxable, we'll be lucky to see 13k, if you decide to leave before your 22, (pvr, lose flying cat, get a commission in a non-aircrew branch etc) you have to pay back the full 20k. Nice.

The 4 and 71/2 bonuses are going to free up cash for the PA spine and the 20k. (from the horses mouth that one)

In 2005/6 the comparative flying pay will be looked at, (not nessesarily awarded), and my boss, officer type, has been told to expect a pay cut around then. Not all bad then.

The 'empowering' of Masters means they will effectivley do the jobs the F/L's do as crewman leaders/ Aeo's, so guess what? Less commisioning opportunities. (unless you go ops support)

Promotion to F/S no longer coming with an offer to 55. Can't have us slacking.

Maybe I'm wrong and it is a good thing.

Or on the other hand maybe it's frozen toblerone time....bend over.:eek:

So

As a 13 1/2 yr flighty I would not have benefited at all, most of what was put forward to the team was taken up and this reflected well on those involved. Apart from the incentive for people just past their 12 yr point, but then very few leave at 12 yrs, most leave at 17.:rolleyes:

Those of you with teddies airborne at the moment should look carefully between PVR and NGR, dont take the blunties word read the Ap closely, having walked all is not rosy outside, expect to work a lot harder for less rewards.

I only hope that within this whole jumble there is a serious look at terms of service for the new Non-commissioned Aircrew branch or has only the name changed?

Regards to all in frozen blighty, now where did I put that chilled local chardonnay, as it is piggin hot out here.:p

GOFORIT
 

GORILLA you earn my respect. You have the courage of your convictions. Certainly 'middle of the aircraft' material.

FIXEDWINGFAGGOT you have my sympathy but you know were in the dictionary that comes. The airships note the Gorillas of the world and when they become the dominant creatures the changes for all are introduced. Sorry but they just view you as a whinger who has not the courage of theit convictions. Dream the excuses but the cut no ice with the AVM's and AM's. You are paid 36k+ for your loyalty. Thats what they can convince the Treasury it is worth.

ESCAPEE Be happy. You have a new Budgens and one of the smartest coffee bars in the HUNTER fleet. One day your existance will be near perfect with a new building. Perhaps perfect when they give you your own heating when sitting very close to the galley/toilet. My new colleagues cannot believe that you can make a cup of tea and have a pee at the same time.

To all, if you are involved in the possible forthcoming events, fly safely, my thoughts are sincerely with you.