From A nother Civilian

Good to hear an honest response - although the spinners took away some of the force of his remarks by handing out the text and endorsing them....

Good on the CDS.


Last week I left a thankyou letter at our local TA centre; the week before I'd thanked them in person.

Today I passed a large fire station twice - no toots
News coverage showed several tooters (maybe non-civilians?)

Tomorrow I'm dropping off a case of beer.

What's wrong with being Evertonian???????:confused:

Well nothing.... if the alternative is being Liverpudlian... (Sorry Danny!). :D

Mr Civilian,

My colleagues have confirmed all that I said a few entries ago, you are a very silly and ignorant man?
I say it again, it is thanks to me and ALL my fellow servicemen that you are enable to publicly spout such utter sh**:(
Night Night you utter dim wit, mind those paper clips!
Regards
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, kick this civilian in the nuts again, but much ,juch harder this time, theres a good chap!'

Hi All
I was just going through the site when I saw the wierd post by A CIVILIAN. I noticed that he apparently comes from the capital of the NORTH (LIVERPOOL). I also saw some deterimental posts re Liverpool but I will treat that with the contempt that it deserves.
To the rest of you PLEASE DO NOT think that this is the view of most Scousers (YES I AM ONE OF THEM). THE SERVICES HAVE A LOT MORE SUPPORT UP HERE THAN YOU THINK.After all who else is going to do the HARD WORK whilst others sit back and spout about "HOW HARD" things are. Re the suggested Coup ? before you do that could somebody sort out PR**** like A Civilian.
All the BEST to ALL SERVICE PERSONEL at home or abroard.

(Please excuse any spelling mistakes)
SPIT

The fact that im not in the air force, the army or the navy does not mean that I cant judge on this war. Can anyone imagine us going to war with Iraq by ourselves? Espically as he has never bothered us. We all know that were only going there because America is. We all know that its about oil as Saudi is a bit dodgy nowadays and Venezula the US's other major oil supplier isnt so friendly nowadays after the CIA backed coup attept failed :) So Iraq is on the cards. And as American oil magnets have already met with Iraqi exiles to carve up the spoils im sure the black gold will be gushing as soon as Sadam is gone.

So lets get back to the topic. America wants the oil. However it cant simply take it without the UN's backing. To get the UN's backing it needs its friends to run interference for it. Hence we get to go in with the Americans as a disguise (along with others) so that this isnt a purely American war which would inflame the arab's further and probably cause more muslems to go join al-queda holy crusade. Bush just needs names on the coalition's banner. Their contribution to the coalition is unnecessary as long as he gets to name them as allies, once he gets a muslem country on that list the wars on.


This is getting completely off topic here. Yes I respect all those servicemen who volunteered to serve there country. What else do you expect me to say? that I hate you all or something? If you want everyone to have respect for you then go on and take over the country as you've all been talking about. I certainly wont stop you as I dont want to die. Im no patriot and neither do I hold much faith in politics (I dont vote) or in Tony Blair so go ahead and live up the limelight.

Civilian,

While you are in Liverpool, it might be a good idea to pop into the International Section of the William Brown Library, which is acknowledged as one of the world's best municipal libraries. Pick up almost any book on history,geography or politics; hopefully this will help you to become a little better informed on the topics under discussion here - I feel you may be imposing an unfair burden on yourself by attempting to comment from such a low base of knowledge or experience.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the library also carries material which will help you with grammar and spelling.

Civilian

Bombing Iraq is an RAF tradition. It inherited it from the RFC on 1 April 1918 (although it was called Mesopotamia then) and continued it throughout the inter- war years.

During WW2 we had to cheat and use a Flying Training School (4 FTS) to defeat their attempt to support Nazi Germany. Front line Squadrons were tied up elsewhere.

Oh, don't forget that it was Iraq that invaded Kuwait and that many thousands of Kuwaiti Citizens who were shipped off to Iraqi prisons are still unaccounted for!!

Iraq has utilised Chemical and Biological Weapons against both Iran and its own Citizens.

One final point. THE SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION WAS UNANIMOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nevertheless, it is pretty obvious that the Simple Cowboy is just itching to go a-hootin', a-hollerin' an' a-shootin jus' to finish what his Daddy don' bin' startin' an' whup Eye-Raqi butt. Yessiree Bob, Yeee-Hah! The slightest excuse will probably be used.

Patience, reasoned democracy and the due processes of International Law do seem to take second place at times; particularly when mid-term elections and oil are involved. But heh, we're OK, we've got Toady and Buff looking after our Armed Forces... So that'll be alright then.....

Hooray for Sir Michael!
 

I just want to add my congratulations to Sir Michael for saying what needed to be said - not before time! When is the government going to realise that we (the Armed Services) are continually being stretched further and further beyond the limits? Some will say that we have been beyond this threshold for a while now. Personnel, assets, budgets and equipment decrease while the size and number of the Military Tasks remain! I suspect that this episode, however, will go unnoticed in a year's time and indeed the only way the problem will gain attention is by sustaining massive losses in conflict - let's hope that it does not come to that!:( :(

A note to A Civilian - I suggest that you accept the corner that you are now in and put down the shovel - do you work for BafHoon? :eek:

A Civilian

Back in February you started a thread JSF & Stealth & VTOL

I bothered to write you a considered answer. You did not reply.

Even today manners say things about people.

Excellent item in todays Mail On Sunday.
An ex Royal Marine hits the nail right on the head!!

Any sane man would leave todays sorry services.
I know I am not insane!!.....:p

CDS vs Hoon
 

This Civilian fella really has not taken the hint has he. Then again nor have our political masters for as long as I can remember - could there be a link, discuss

LoeyDaFrog

Its called freedom of speech.


TicketyBoo

I would take up your advice honestly I would. But I have an excellent memory and unfortunatly have an old outstanding £50 fine so ive never been to a Pl since :)


John Farley

Nice one :cool:

A Civilian You just hit the nail on the head… It is call freedom of speech, and it’s thanks to all these ‘flag waving’ wars we go to, that you have the ability to voice your views so freely. If it wasn’t for the British military, this world would be a very different place, and not necessarily for the better either.

I suggest you voice your views on a more appropriate forum rather than offending the people who give you your freedom.

Now go on…. Foxtrot Oscar!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Point to a a law that allows freedom of speech in this country and I will leave.

However you wont be able to as none exist. I suggest you learn more about the working of are government before you describe it as anything promoting freedom of speech. To give you a hint I suggest you look up the words 'subject' and 'privilege' in a legal dictionary.

Civilian, it was your quote….

“Its called freedom of speech”

Now you’re going on about some law… what is your point?

"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC

ORAC, that's an awesome quote! Thank you.

It gives us all so much to think about that there can hardly be any time left for us to bicker about trivialities.

Civilian

No-one is suggesting that you do not have the freedom of speech. What is p$ssing people off here is that you refer to 'easy' flag waving wars. It matters not to the soldier, sailor, airman the motives behind a campaign; whatever the motive, wars are sh$tty.

If you feel you need to 'bleat' about the current crisis, do it to our lords and masters, not to the guys and gals in here.

Read and inwardly digest ORAC's quote.