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teeteringhead 19th Nov 2023 15:05

A few years ago I had to research the wearing of Army/RN/RAF wings on other Services' uniforms for a real issue for regulars (no more details - it might imperil my incognito!) . The rule then - this was 20 years ago - was that RAF Wings could be worn on army uniforms and vice versa.(So Wills and Harry are both right!). The RN - unsurprisingly? - said RN Wings could only be worn on RN uniforms, and no other wings could be worn on them. Not sure where that puts RM?? Suppose the RN counts them as Navy......

trim it out 19th Nov 2023 17:09

The transferring of service is an oddity that doesn't seem to rustle too many feathers. If you've passed the Army Pilot Course then why shouldn't you wear the Army wings regardless of the colour of hat you now wear.

The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience :E

212man 19th Nov 2023 17:40


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 11542267)
The transferring of service is an oddity that doesn't seem to rustle too many feathers. If you've passed the Army Pilot Course then why shouldn't you wear the Army wings regardless of the colour of hat you now wear.

The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience :E

That would definitely smart!

charliegolf 19th Nov 2023 18:31


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 11542267)
The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience :E

What are they NOT allowed to wear? Serious Q.

CG

trim it out 19th Nov 2023 18:43


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11542305)
What are they NOT allowed to wear? Serious Q.

CG

They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.

The Oberon 20th Nov 2023 11:27


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 11542311)
They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.

I understood they could still wear their "Dagger"

Asturias56 20th Nov 2023 13:35

But they've transferred out - why keep the old badges?

huge72 20th Nov 2023 13:35

lsh, I remember BH well, Sadly he struggled throughout his training, he was backflighted on AAITC at Finningly, held after ALM training at Brize before going Rotary, went through the OCU to end up on the Squadron. Failed to up grade to CR checked again by STANEVAL until finally moving on to ATC. I understand he carried on wearing his brevet although given a really hard time by his new peers.

The American forces take different view of flying badges as I personally know a Lt Col in the USAF who transferred from the Marine Corps. He proudly wears both sets of wings on his uniform, one above the other.

Union Jack 20th Nov 2023 13:52


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 11542188)
A few years ago I had to research the wearing of Army/RN/RAF wings on other Services' uniforms for a real issue for regulars (no more details - it might imperil my incognito!) . The rule then - this was 20 years ago - was that RAF Wings could be worn on army uniforms and vice versa.(So Wills and Harry are both right!). The RN - unsurprisingly? - said RN Wings could only be worn on RN uniforms, and no other wings could be worn on them. Not sure where that puts RM?? Suppose the RN counts them as Navy......

You suppose correctly, Sir, since the Royal Marines are a vital part of the Naval Service. :ok:

Jack

trim it out 20th Nov 2023 16:37


Originally Posted by The Oberon (Post 11542727)
I understood they could still wear their "Dagger"


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11542805)
But they've transferred out - why keep the old badges?

The dagger is still worn on their 1s/2s/Mess rig etc. The difference is a Royal Marine does the "full" Commando course, everyone else does the "short" All Arms course, and if you're now in the Army/RAF/RN rather than the Corps, it will be assumed you did the All Arms course. Similar to the way the Parachute Regiment believe everyone who isn't Reg is a Hat because they did All Arms Pre Para rather than Depot (an easy nibble to get the ex reg lads who transferred to be aircrew).

alfred_the_great 20th Nov 2023 18:21

RM wear Army wings (but I’ve seen RM FJ wear Navy wings).

I know of zero ex-Bootnecks who’ve branch transferred to RN or Army who give a damn about some random on the internet judging them about “long” or “short” courses.

trim it out 20th Nov 2023 18:57


Originally Posted by alfred_the_great (Post 11542930)
RM wear Army wings (but I’ve seen RM FJ wear Navy wings).

I know of zero ex-Bootnecks who’ve branch transferred to RN or Army who give a damn about some random on the internet judging them about “long” or “short” courses.

FJ lot wear Navy wings because there is no Army FJ course.

It's banter Alfred, the AAC is a mongrel organisation. 40%, if not more, of the aircrew are not True Blue and taking the wizz out of previous capbadges is par for the course.

BATCO 21st Nov 2023 04:33


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 11542311)
They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.

TIO has it right because the flash actually says "Royal Marines Commando". (my emphasis added). That it read as the wearer - who is a commando - is a member of the Royal Marines. So when/if no longer a member that particular badge is no longer appropriate. The person remains one who has passed the commando course and so may continue to display that fact (ie adopt the Royal Navy/Army Commando badge or the dagger.

Batco (on behalf of Batco Jr - a Royal Marines Commando)

MG 21st Nov 2023 05:11

Years ago, I went to an RAF wedding between a couple of air traffickers. One of the guests was wearing a nav badge. Upon enquiring, he’d trained as a Navy observer, got the badge, but hadn’t finished Lynx conversion before transferring to RN air traffic, subsequently transferring to RAF air traffic. He’d been entitled to the observer’s ’moth’ whilst in the Senior Service but far from met the RAF’s requirements for wearing the ‘N’.

Lima Juliet 21st Nov 2023 23:16

This is a brevet:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....978527d26e.png

These are badges (always have been since 1912 when HM The King signed the first one off - been the same in KRs and QRs ever since):
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....872435efe.jpeg

megan 22nd Nov 2023 00:41

When the RAN closed its fixed wing down some of the A-4 chaps went to the RAAF Mirages and a couple to the RN Harrier, anyone know what wings they wore?

Captain Dart 22nd Nov 2023 04:09

I transferred RAN to RAAF and wore the ‘crab’ wings. It was hard adapting to their Fred Scuttle salute though.

BEagle 22nd Nov 2023 05:11

LJ, the OP wrote:

please don't hijack the thread with discussions about wings/brevets/badges etc!
All posters to note please!!

langleybaston 22nd Nov 2023 08:11


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11543854)
LJ, the OP wrote:


All posters to note please!!

battle is won anyway .
End of.

NutLoose 22nd Nov 2023 09:02

I am impressed, 5 pages in and not a mention of the W word.

Doh....


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