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USMC F-35B Crash - 17 Sep 23
Pilot ejected - found in a residential city street in N Charleston, SC - transported
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Early reports say officials are searching for the plane - presumably meaning it did not crash in the immediate area.
Also it might be an F-35C as the USMC fly both. |
Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
(Post 11504354)
Early reports say officials are searching for the plane - presumably meaning it did not crash in the immediate area.
Also it might be an F-35C as the USMC fly both. |
Few details, however "...No smoke has been reported, which would be an obvious sign that a jet went down. There are no reports of property damage either, so the jet may be at the bottom of the lake...." & "...The pilot and jet are based out of Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina...." & '...Details are few as of now, but base PA has confirmed the incident. Talk on the local Charleston dispatch and ATC also note the pilot ejected at 2,000 ft., with last radar contact about 7 miles northeast of Lake Moultrie, a few miles north of the base. The pilot made it out safely, and then showed up about 10 miles away in the middle of a residential neighborhood at a house on South Kenwood Drive in North Charleston...." F-35 Pilot Ejects Over Charleston, Walks to House for Help (avgeekery.com)
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Pilot ejected at 2,000 ft when aircraft was only 7 miles from Lake Moultrie - so it could be in the lake.
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$80 mil and no tracker. Cheapskates.
CG |
Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
(Post 11504354)
Early reports say officials are searching for the plane - presumably meaning it did not crash in the immediate area.
Also it might be an F-35C as the USMC fly both. |
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Search on for a missing Marine Corps fighter jet in South Carolina after pilot safely ejects 18 Sep 2023
https://apnews.com/article/south-car...818a3f2f28bfac "NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — A Marine Corps pilot safely ejected from a fighter jet over North Charleston on Sunday afternoon and the search for his missing aircraft was focused on two lakes north of North Charleston, military officials said. The pilot ejected and parachuted safely into a North Charleston neighborhood at about 2 p.m. He was taken to a local hospital, where he was in stable condition, said Maj. Melanie Salinas. The pilot’s name has not been released. Based on the missing plane’s location and trajectory, the search for the F-35 Lightning II jet was focused on Lake Moultrie and Lake Marion, said Senior Master Sgt. Heather Stanton at Joint Base Charleston. Both lakes are north of North Charleston.... ...The planes and pilots were with the Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 based in Beaufort, not far from South Carolina’s Atlantic coast." https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....06c6cbe56d.jpg |
"No low ballers, I know what I have. Must by US Citizen to bid. Ran when parked." (Craig's List post.)
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What situations force you to eject from an aircraft that can still fly, at least for several miles?
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Will be interesting as more details come out. Post Courier says the pilot was picked up near S Kenwood Dr. That's just outside the AFB perimeter and less than a mile NE of RWY 15. I grew up about a mile north of the runway in the 60s early 70s.
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Aircraft was put on autopilot before the ejection which, along with the ejection location seems to indicate it was premeditated.
Base also confirms the transponder wasn’t functioning - which could mean it was untraceable, and range will only have been limited by the amount of usable fuel remaining in the tanks….. See both article and comments below it. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-pilot-ejected …Based on FAA data, the search for the aircraft is underway in the Lake Moultrie and Lake Marion areas, Senior Master Sergeant Heather Stanton from Joint Base Charleston told the press. But here's the kicker: the DoD is saying the F-35B was put on autopilot prior to the ejection…. "The jet’s transponder, which usually helps locate the aircraft, was not working “for some reason that we haven’t yet determined,” said Jeremy Huggins, a spokesman at Joint Base Charleston. “So that’s why we put out the public request for help.” |
In The Times today:-
The US military has appealed to the public to help track down a stealth jet after its pilot ejected due to what was described as a “mishap”. The advanced, stealth-capable US warplane vanished on Sunday afternoon from radar and the authorities at Joint Base Charleston, South Carolina. An investigation has been launched into why the pilot flying the F-35 — regarded as the world’s most expensive fighter jet — over the southeastern US state ejected. The military offered no immediate explanation other than it had suffered a “mishap”. But the US Marine Corps was left with an expensive problem: it could not find the jet, leading Joint Base Charleston to ask for help from local residents. “If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35, please call the Base Defense Operations Center,” a post from the base read on Twitter/X. Base authorities said they were searching, in co-ordination with federal aviation regulators, near two lakes north of the city of Charleston. State law enforcement also joined the search. The pilot parachuted to earth in a North Charleston neighbourhood at about 2pm on Sunday. He was taken to a local hospital, where he was in stable condition, a military spokeswoman said. The pilot’s name has not been released. The pilot of a second F-35 returned safely to Joint Base Charleston. However, there was disbelief that the plane could simply disappear. “How in the hell do you lose an F-35? How is there not a tracking device, and we’re asking the public to what, find a jet and turn it in?” South Carolina congresswoman Nancy Mace asked. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11504640)
Aircraft was put on autopilot before the ejection which, along with the ejection location seems to indicate it was premeditated.
Base also confirms the transponder wasn’t functioning - which could mean it was untraceable, and range will only have been limited by the amount of usable fuel remaining in the tanks….. See both article and comments below it. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-pilot-ejected …Based on FAA data, the search for the aircraft is underway in the Lake Moultrie and Lake Marion areas, Senior Master Sergeant Heather Stanton from Joint Base Charleston told the press. But here's the kicker: the DoD is saying the F-35B was put on autopilot prior to the ejection…. "The jet’s transponder, which usually helps locate the aircraft, was not working “for some reason that we haven’t yet determined,” said Jeremy Huggins, a spokesman at Joint Base Charleston. “So that’s why we put out the public request for help.” Edited: maybe it'd be the Ruzzki sub waiting silently in Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion?? |
Stealth capable US warplane vanished from radar. There's a certain irony in that statement.
Reminds me of that old joke "We couldn't see your aircraft on radar this morning Captain Jenkins?" (Captain Jenkins) "Thank you sir". |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11504640)
Aircraft was put on autopilot before the ejection which, along with the ejection location seems to indicate it was premeditated.
Base also confirms the transponder wasn’t functioning - which could mean it was untraceable, and range will only have been limited by the amount of usable fuel remaining in the tanks….. See both article and comments below it. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-pilot-ejected …Based on FAA data, the search for the aircraft is underway in the Lake Moultrie and Lake Marion areas, Senior Master Sergeant Heather Stanton from Joint Base Charleston told the press. But here's the kicker: the DoD is saying the F-35B was put on autopilot prior to the ejection…. "The jet’s transponder, which usually helps locate the aircraft, was not working “for some reason that we haven’t yet determined,” said Jeremy Huggins, a spokesman at Joint Base Charleston. “So that’s why we put out the public request for help.” |
Warning, thread drift.
“G-XXXX, Bournemouth Radar, what is your position?” “G-XX is 8 miles north at 1500ft” “G-XX, we can’t see you on radar.” ”That’s because I’m made of wood” ”???????????????” True exchange! Mog |
Originally Posted by munnst
(Post 11504609)
What situations force you to eject from an aircraft that can still fly, at least for several miles?
Here is one that landed itself and returned to service after the pilot ejected. https://www.historynet.com/f-106-the-cornfield-bomber/ |
Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11504684)
Warning, thread drift.
“G-XXXX, Bournemouth Radar, what is your position?” “G-XX is 8 miles north at 1500ft” “G-XX, we can’t see you on radar.” ”That’s because I’m made of wood” ”???????????????” True exchange! Mog |
No, ‘twas I.
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Originally Posted by munnst
(Post 11504609)
What situations force you to eject from an aircraft that can still fly, at least for several miles?
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11504727)
No, ‘twas I.
I Had similar recently talking to London/Oxford when I was crossing their ‘feathers’ in the UHMRA (or at least where it used to be back in the day) They Couldn’t see me as the K6 is wood and I was flying too slow for them anyway…..they were very grateful for the conversation though. …apparently. |
Lots of questions for sure.
Section Takeoff (Naval Air wording for a two aircraft formation(....Pilot ejects and "the second aircraft landed safely". Uh....either Lead ejected...or the Wing Man ejected....and the witness Pilot saw nothing....heard nothing....and returned to land normally....without saying nothing? Now that would be odd sure enough. In formation flight....does only one aircraft in the formation emit IFF signals or in this case perhaps....Civilian Transponder signals? If so....was the downed aircraft the one that was not the emitter in the formation. Is this going to turn out to be something similar to this USAF event except the Pilot showed up as a hitchhiker? https://warisboring.com/thunder-on-t...and-its-pilot/ |
Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11504727)
No, ‘twas I.
Originally Posted by Mogwi Warning, thread drift. “G-XXXX, Bournemouth Radar, what is your position?” “G-XX is 8 miles north at 1500ft” “G-XX, we can’t see you on radar.” ”That’s because I’m made of wood” ”???????????????” True exchange! Mog |
Cost of an F35
It’s funny that the BBC reported the cost of an F35 as almost £100 Million when the RAF/RN lost one. But when the USMC lose one it reportedly costs $80 Million. It’s funny how the narrative can change the cost so markedly.
BV (Yes I understand the principle of economies of scale and my tongue is firmly in cheek anyway). |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11504746)
It’s funny that the BBC reported the cost of an F35 as almost £100 Million when the RAF/RN lost one. But when the USMC lose one it reportedly costs $80 Million. It’s funny how the narrative can change the cost so markedly.
BV (Yes I understand the principle of economies of scale and my tongue is firmly in cheek anyway). |
Originally Posted by MechEngr
(Post 11504446)
"No low ballers, I know what I have. Must by US Citizen to bid. Ran when parked." (Craig's List post.)
I might need a bigger garage though. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11504740)
Lots of questions for sure.
Section Takeoff (Naval Air wording for a two aircraft formation(....Pilot ejects and "the second aircraft landed safely". Uh....either Lead ejected...or the Wing Man ejected....and the witness Pilot saw nothing....heard nothing....and returned to land normally....without saying nothing? Now that would be odd sure enough. In formation flight....does only one aircraft in the formation emit IFF signals or in this case perhaps....Civilian Transponder signals? If so....was the downed aircraft the one that was not the emitter in the formation. Is this going to turn out to be something similar to this USAF event except the Pilot showed up as a hitchhiker? https://warisboring.com/thunder-on-t...and-its-pilot/ |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11504746)
It’s funny that the BBC reported the cost of an F35 as almost £100 Million when the RAF/RN lost one. But when the USMC lose one it reportedly costs $80 Million. It’s funny how the narrative can change the cost so markedly.
BV (Yes I understand the principle of economies of scale and my tongue is firmly in cheek anyway). In March 2020, defence minister Jeremy Quin stated the price of an F-35B was $115m (about £88.8m when using UK Government March 2020 exchange rates), covering airframe and engine cost. He added that this figure "represents a 24% price reduction from our first aircraft ordered", with the expectation that the "downward trend" regarding the cost would continue. https://www.forces.net/news/what-you...ow-about-f-35b |
Originally Posted by jeallen01
(Post 11504670)
Edited: maybe it'd be the Ruzzki sub waiting silently in Lake Moultrie or Lake Marion??
Lake Marion has South Carolina's largest population of Alligators it seems, with Lake Moultrie, the 2nd largest. The jet might stay lost :O https://www.theitem.com/stories/lake...ulation,400014 |
If there’s a Russian sub waiting for you, you’d surely set your autopilot to go the other way, towards the Atlantic. (Fewer alligators too)
Hard to believe that no one saw anything. (Shades of Men in Black) |
Tango and Cash
I have questions along those same lines too... what's the protocol for the wingman in this situation? Circle the downed pilot to assist with search and rescue? Or would there be the thought of "oh $h*&, that thing's flying on its own, I'd better keep track of where it's headed"? Doesn't sound like either of those happened based on the media reports so far. Maybe the wingman wasn't in visual range when the ejection happened? |
Has anyone seen Clint Eastwood recently???
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I watched the T bird back seat ejecting over Wildenrath. I think it was around midday shift change on a Friday in 1975 ( 1976?.). The aircraft overflew the airfield with heavy porpoising, the back seat ejection cleared the fault and the front seat pilot landed and taxied into 3F Sgn line. He was obviously shock up and needed help to make his seat safe before climbing out.
I spent many weeks working on the aircraft as part of the team trying to flush the hydraulic system. Whilst doing so, I watched a single seat GR3 ejection on take off - the start of the 3rd stage LP Stators issue that plagued the fleet for many years. Both pilots were ok. |
Originally Posted by Declan275
(Post 11504735)
The only ejection in the history of the Irish Air Corps involved a two seat Vampire in a spin. Instructor orders cadet to get out, this helps spin recovery, instructor flies home.
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“If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35, please call the Base Defense Operations Center,” |
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Someone needs to modify that missing poster, to "Friendly, answers to the name of Dave" :E
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