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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
There is an implicit assumption that all 4000 British passport holders were dual nationals,.
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
with an underlying assumption that they were all primarily first generation Sudanese without any evidence being offered to support this view The second assumption, why does someone having the passport of a second country absolve the UK of its responsibilities when asked for help and assistance?
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
Otherwise what is the point of the time and expense of getting dual citizenship if it is of no value? It is not granted on a whim. .
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
Finally, there is no mention of where any of these 4000 individuals were primarily resident. Many were visiting family to celebrate a major religious festival..
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
Many were visiting family to celebrate a major religious festival..
..and the relevance is ......?
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11430175)
Could it have been foreseen and should they have travelled? Well, given absence of the ambassador, his 2 i/c and sundry others from the country al at the same time, one concludes either it was not or that they do not read their own advice.
EDIT: Out of interest I looked at reactions to the evacuation in some other countries. Switzerland There was public criticism but the Swiss F.O. said it is general policy that Swiss overseas travel on their own responsibility. Dual-nationals had problems being allowed admittance to the air-strip. They left on with French and German flights Germany: All citizens had to make their own way to the air-strip. Saudi Arabia: I hadn't read anything about this, but it seems the Saudis evacuated more than any other nation - 5 409 - by ship. https://www.thenationalnews.com/gulf...ation-efforts/ |
Germany asks people with two passports to decide by the age of 18 which country they wish to be citizens of. Sounds sensible. |
Originally Posted by bugged on the right
(Post 11430177)
Diplomatic staff have diplomatic immunity and are treated differently. There were warnings given by the Foreign Office well in advance. There is a rule about dual citizenship which says that British representatives will not assist dual nationals in the country of the dual nationality. These people were bloody lucky. Once again British servicemen were put at risk for a large number of undeserving.
If you were say a UK subject (or are we citizens now?) and went to the US and got in some fairly heavy legal trouble there I think you would be able to call on the British Embassy for assistance, but if you were also a US citizen then they would politely decline I'm not certain that limitation would also apply to evacuations |
Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
(Post 11430577)
You might check the definition of "assist"
If you were say a UK subject (or are we citizens now?) and went to the US and got in some fairly heavy legal trouble there I think you would be able to call on the British Embassy for assistance, but if you were also a US citizen then they would politely decline I'm not certain that limitation would also apply to evacuations |
Not been subjects since 1983. Debate that with your Inland Revenue folks sometime and see how it goes? |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11430937)
Debate that with your Inland Revenue folks sometime and see how it goes? |
In name only......the Tax Man still covets your Goat!
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HMRC wants my groats, I don't have any goats, :=
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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11430972)
In name only......the Tax Man still covets your Goat!
when I lived in Switzerland, I was amused when I had to fill out my first Wealth Declaration as part of the tax form* and they asked how many head of cattle/goats/sheep I owned. I don't remember if these beasts also had to be valued. * Every canton in Switzerland has its own unique tax-system, so I don't know how widespread this would have been,. That also reminds me of the pleasures of tax-form completion : seven times per year ( four x communal , two x cantonal and one x federal ) !!! EDIT: Sorry, I have just noticed this is nothing to do with the original thread. I simply read the latest post(s) and followed on from them. |
Whilst this is not explicitly about the airlift, Alex De Waal recently wrote an article called The Revolution No One Wanted that I found to be a worthy read regarding the political upheaval that has necessitated this evacuation operation.
NEOs can be a ticklish operation to pull off well. I tip my cap to the crews who have done their level best to get folks out of this very difficult situation. |
Why Sudan Matters to their neighbor: Egypt.
The linked article has a good summary of the ripple effects of this six week long civil war spilling over into Egypt. (The flood of refugees isn't the only problem Egypt is facing). Their relationships with Ethiopia and UAE, and their Nile water resource problems, inform how they respond what's going on in Sudan. Some Salient points extracted from the linked article: JUNE 1, 2023, 7:00 AM | Mahmoud Salem
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/01...ons-ceasefire/ Are the suggestions on "what to do" in the article realistic? Maybe, and maybe not. Why does all of this matter to Military Aviation? If the current conflict goes on, some sort of multinational intervention is likely, and supporting air assets will be at a premium. And guess where most of those will come from, eh? |
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