Sudan military coup, A330 burning...
Sudan military coup... It seems an Airbus 330 burning with emergency doors open and deployed...
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Rumours say 1 A330 of Saudia and 1 737-800 of SkyUp damaged.
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Saudia, HZ-AQ30
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Originally Posted by NG1
(Post 11420284)
Rumours say 1 A330 of Saudia and 1 737-800 of SkyUp damaged.
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One lil question, how do they manage to maintain aircraft like the 330 in such demonstrably unstable places? Like how do they setup the infrastructure for even basic maintenance actions?
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Originally Posted by Zar_1
(Post 11420388)
One lil question, how do they manage to maintain aircraft like the 330 in such demonstrably unstable places? Like how do they setup the infrastructure for even basic maintenance actions?
Now on a related topic bit surprised by BA65 actually (LHR-NBO) turning back and many other scattering around. Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent... |
BBC radio just said that passengers were dragged out of the airplanes.
P.S., I can’t find news to back up this report. P.P.S., If I was in a plane that was on fire, I would want to exit immediately. |
Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11420420)
Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent...
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Sudan
👀👀👀 Reportedly 10 aircraft - they’d get a lot of kudos giving them to Ukraine - who I am sure, along with partner nations, would provide a lot of small arms and other ground equipment in exchange.
Egyptian MiG-29 fighter jets captured by Sudanese Rapid Support Forces (RSF) in Merowe Airbase, Sudan. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b9e270a0a.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fc2415d66.jpeg |
Rapid Reaction/Support Forces have captured Al Shahid Sabira International airport, in West Darfur region, Sudan.
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Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 11420420)
Now on a related topic bit surprised by BA65 actually (LHR-NBO) turning back and many other scattering around. Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent...
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Inside the cockpit of the Saudia A330 during the Sudanese Military Coup.https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3 |
I heard on the news that a Ukrainian aircrew are being held hostage.
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Interresting
Egyptian Mig crewed by Ukrainian mercenaries. Interresting world we live in 🙄 |
The Ukrainians would presumably be from SkyUp Airlines.
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Originally Posted by renfrew
(Post 11420622)
The Ukrainians would presumably be from SkyUp Airlines.
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I see
So who is supposed to fly those Egyptian fighters? Who does ground service? |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-65284948Since a coup in October 2021, Sudan has been run by a council of generals and there are two military men at the centre of the dispute. Gen Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, who is the head of the armed forces and in effect the country's president. And his deputy and leader of the RSF, Gen Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo, better known as Hemedti.
They have disagreed on the direction the country is going in and the proposed move towards civilian rule. One of the main sticking points is over the plans to include the 100,000-strong RSF into the army and who would then lead the new force. The violence follows days of tension as members of the RSF were redeployed around the country in a move that the army saw as a threat. There had been some hope that talks could resolve the situation but these never happened. It is not clear who fired the first shot on Saturday morning but there are fears that this will worsen an already unstable situation. Diplomats have urged the two sides to cease fire. The RSF was formed in 2013 and has its origins in the notorious Janjaweed militia that brutally fought off rebels in Darfur.Since then, Gen Dagalo has built a powerful force that has intervened in conflicts in Yemen and Libya and controls some of Sudan's gold mines. Rivalry between Gen Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo (pictured) and Gen Abdel Fattah al-Burhan is at the heart of the problem It has also been accused of human rights abuses, including the massacre of more than 120 protesters in June 2019. Such a strong force outside the army has been seen as a source of instability in the country. |
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11420643)
I see
So who is supposed to fly those Egyptian fighters? Who does ground service? |
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11420643)
So who is supposed to fly those Egyptian fighters? Who does ground service?
It appears Egypt supports the army and were deployed for "joint training". https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...rces-Statement |
As ORAC points out, there are significant regional air players here with Egypt at the front. I am always surprised when discussing African matters through a UK lens that our default is Nigeria in the west (for good reason IMHO, look at size & economy) and Kenya in the east (less good c/w Nigeria in previous terms). Everyone underestimates Ethiopia in this part of the world regardless of whether it is fighting a civil war or not; let us remember who got the Nobel Peace Prize in 2019 before Tigray kicked off…
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Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11420789)
who was supporting and flying those aircrafts?!
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11420588)
Interresting
Egyptian Mig crewed by Ukrainian mercenaries. Interresting world we live in 🙄 |
SWBKCB indeed, but latter I was told that the Ukrainian aircrew mentioned are actually civilian (from SkyUp Airlines).
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day an age. And if was Egyptians it would also be an interesting twist as it would make them direct participants in the combats. |
or UkraInian crews flying for the UNWFP?
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Well SkyUp was definitely providing wet leases for SunAir. I guess with mostly Ukrainian crews.
Then there are possibly other crews working for the UN. But (to me) the "interesting" part is those Migs (which did fly combat mission in all likelihood). Who was in the cockpit ? on the ground ? in what capacity ? |
I take it a lot of this goes back to Wagner, nice to see their cash flow possibly being reduced. Just a tragedy it’s happening like this.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/27/e...ntl/index.html |
...an advanced anti-theft device ? |
How should the fighting be resolved?
Conversation starter, how should this fighting in Sudan be resolved? Ceasefires are being broken yet there is agreements for them everyday for a few hours for humanitarian purposes? Nation leaders are urging for the fighting to stop but neither RSF or the army are seeming to listen, what should happen?
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Maybe to stop various creatures climbing the legs or to protect the tyres from heat or uv sunlight.
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Originally Posted by Zar_1
(Post 11420388)
One lil question, how do they manage to maintain aircraft like the 330 in such demonstrably unstable places? Like how do they setup the infrastructure for even basic maintenance actions?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11420804)
The Egyptian army and Air Force.
It appears Egypt supports the army and were deployed for "joint training". https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...rces-Statement |
Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
(Post 11420830)
SWBKCB indeed, but latter I was told that the Ukrainian aircrew mentioned are actually civilian (from SkyUp Airlines).
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day. Used to be that ex-military white South Africans predominated in this aviation work across Africa, but times move on. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11420991)
Maybe to stop various creatures climbing the legs or to protect the tyres from heat or uv sunlight.
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Now on a related topic bit surprised by BA65 actually (LHR-NBO) turning back and many other scattering around. Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent... Sudden, and maybe disorganised withdrawal of ATC services, perhaps? Common sense perhaps? |
Listing of current Sudanese Air Force fleet here, details from Flightglobal page 30
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=90688 Combat aircraft - Type, Number Of A-5 20 F-6 8 F-7 20 MiG-21 4 MiG-23 3 MiG-29 10 Su-24 3 Su-25 14 Transport An-12 10 An-26 4 An-30/32 8 C-130H 1 DHC-5 1 Il-76 1 Combat helicopter Bell 205 2 Bell 212 3 Mi-8/17/171 24 Mi-24/35 43 Training aircraft/helicopters FTC-2000 6 K-8 5 MiG-29 1 |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11420991)
Maybe to stop various creatures climbing the legs or to protect the tyres from heat or uv sunlight.
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Report in the New York Times is that destroyed aircraft at Khartoum are now 20, almost all Soviet types (if you can break through the paywall)
Sudan Live Updates: At Least 180 Dead and Hundreds Injured in Fighting - The New York Times (nytimes.com) as a satellite photo after the first attack showed upwards of 40 airliners there, I guess they are working through them. |
One of the destroyed planes is the Sudanese VIP Il-62M ST-PRA, which seems to have been active at least until
The hangar with the Egyptian Air Force Mig 29 apparently has been bombed in the meanwhile, state of the aircraft unknown. Three Migs outside appear to be damaged, one of them likely destroyed. A Chinese-build FTC-2000 (JL-9) jet trainer / light attack aircraft has also been hit. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...royed-in-sudan |
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