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Party Animal 11th Jul 2023 22:31

I also remember several years back when the pay rise was not backdated to the 1st of April but started from Sep or Oct? Definitely Tories in power at the time and I think it was the John Major era.

vascodegama 12th Jul 2023 06:37

The other trick was a staged payment -cant remember the figures but say 6% recommended, we got 3% in Apr and only 6% 6 months later-net 4.5%. At least Cox and Kings weren't able to hold onto the extra for a couple of months and earn more interest!

ORAC 13th Jul 2023 11:45

Pay review bodies recommendations accepted.

Police get 7%, doctors and teachers 6%… and armed forces 5%…

https://news.sky.com/story/millions-...rises-12920175

M1key 13th Jul 2023 11:45

Guessing we are the 5% then….
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66188500


reds & greens 13th Jul 2023 12:12

"Reprioritise Budgets", Hmmmm - a taste of seeking further internal efficiencies?
that'll be a first...

Just This Once... 13th Jul 2023 12:40

A real-world pay cut that is part-funded by additional cuts to defence capability and set at a level below the 'overall public sector rate' of 6%.

Yep, it managed to be the worst of all worlds.


BEagle 13th Jul 2023 12:46

About 0.57 x current CPI and less than 0.5 x the last AFP and State Pension increases.

Lucifer Morningstar 13th Jul 2023 13:21

I wonder if I am becoming ever more cynical the older I get. There was a time when I would have looked at a 5% payrise and been genuinely happy- - I do not recall getting such a pay award in my 3 decades of flying. However, I watched the announcement in the House today and all I could think was 'Why do the Armed Forces get the lowest pay award in the public sector?'.

I suspect it is down to lack of lobbying and standing up for the team that personified the almost traitorous term of the now thankfully departed CAS. He had the opportunity to fight as hard as the other public sector leaders did for a decent pay rise , but his WOKE agenda, to the exclusion of virtually everything else, has now manifested in the lowest award of any public sector.

Just my thoughts.

JTIDS 13th Jul 2023 13:33

Details can be found here.

I’m not complaining. Having left very recently this will neatly bump up the gratuity and pension… even more so when I finally get by onto AFPS75.


3 bladed beast 13th Jul 2023 13:33

Any idea what the 1000 pounds “bonus” is.

Or who it is aimed at?!

JTIDS 13th Jul 2023 13:37

Everyone’s base salary goes up by 5% plus £1000. That way junior ranks get a much bigger percentage pay increase. Actually not a bad plan.

4everAD 13th Jul 2023 13:46

So what exactly does this £1000 consolidated mean? Is it taxed and NI'd? How does it affect future pay/pension?
edit: just twigged what this means! So the initial 5% sounds dissapoiting but it actually works out at 7.1% for me, not as bad.

BrianTrousers 13th Jul 2023 14:02

Not a bad plan
 

Originally Posted by JTIDS (Post 11466737)
Everyone’s base salary goes up by 5% plus £1000. That way junior ranks get a much bigger percentage pay increase. Actually not a bad plan.

I agree. For someone on £30k a £1000 consolidated payment represents a 3.3% pay increase. If you add that to the 5% that everyone gets it means that the lower paid ranks are actually getting 8.33%. I think that’s fair - the juniors are feeling the impact of the cost of living crisis much more than the seniors.

and it still gives us the moral high ground because Joe Public will only see the 5% and probably feel sorry for us. Smoke and mirrors maybe but it maintains our goodwill with the man on the street.

3 bladed beast 13th Jul 2023 15:22

I’ve read the report but it doesn’t state it will be back dated to April.

Have I missed this or can we assume it will be?

somewhereout 13th Jul 2023 16:25

The 1000 is, I guess, a one off bonus. This is sly, wont be there next year or contribute to pension. 5% is still a real terms pay cut. Public sector pay rises have little correlation with raising inflation- small % of workforce and no impact on profit margins. Dont imagine this is great simply because it could have been worse.

M1key 13th Jul 2023 16:44

AFPRB Report is available to read online.
 

Originally Posted by somewhereout (Post 11466818)
The 1000 is, I guess, a one off bonus. This is sly, wont be there next year or contribute to pension. 5% is still a real terms pay cut. Public sector pay rises have little correlation with raising inflation- small % of workforce and no impact on profit margins. Dont imagine this is great simply because it could have been worse.

It is not a one-off bonus. People on different pay scales will get varied increases.
New pay scales are in the AFPRB Report now available.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/armed-forces-pay-review-body-fifty-second-report-2023

BEagle 13th Jul 2023 16:53


I’ve read the report but it doesn’t state it will be back dated to April.
The news item stated that the independent pay review bodies' recommnedations have been accepted in full by the government.

The AFPRB report, a link to which is included in the Written Statment, shows all increases applying from 1 Apr 2023.

Which should, therefore, mean that your awards will be backdated to 1 Apr 2023.

LS8C1 13th Jul 2023 17:54

Anyone know if RRP (flying pay) is also subject to the 5% increase?

PostMeHappy 13th Jul 2023 18:50

The Report actually recommends 5.8% for RRP…if that is accepted as well…

Melchett01 13th Jul 2023 20:02


Originally Posted by Melchett01 (Post 11465738)
Remember a few years back when the AFPRB recommended a wallet busting 2.9% and it was paid as 2% + 0.9% non consolidated bonus? I did wonder when they said last week we always honour the Pay Review Bodies’ recommendations . Odds on a re-run?

Reading the report I see the MOD wanted to do the old non-consolidated bonus trick YET AGAIN. They still don’t learn do they.

And comments on the food charge being frozen in light of poor quality food I see as an indictment of the whole Pay As You Starve fiasco.


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