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SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 4th Apr 2023 18:27


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11414520)
How many Service personnel are affected at Weathersfield and Scampton? As distinct from former Service personnel who have settled in the immediate area.

NoNinthace I drove past Scampton today and there was a lot of evidence of occupied quarters - not sure how many (if any) are in private hands now, nor how the poulation there splits across serving/ex-serving/civilian. In reality the main take away point is that these asylum camps should not be on anyone's doorstep whilst the occupants are free to roam, and overwhelm the locals 3 to 1.

Ninthace 4th Apr 2023 21:47


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 11414698)
NoNinthace I drove past Scampton today and there was a lot of evidence of occupied quarters - not sure how many (if any) are in private hands now, nor how the poulation there splits across serving/ex-serving/civilian. In reality the main take away point is that these asylum camps should not be on anyone's doorstep whilst the occupants are free to roam, and overwhelm the locals 3 to 1.

Wherever they go, they are going to be on someone's doorstep, that is a fact of life on a small island. It also seems whoever's doorstep they end up on will not want them there, Equally, no one has shown that wherever they end up will be cheaper than where they are now, and nobody wants to pay what they cost now, let alone in the future. The only solution I can see is to divert the funds spent on moving and reaccommodating them to processing them.

ORAC 14th Apr 2023 07:53

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...mbusters-base/

Planning coup could thwart migrant camp proposal for Dambusters base

A council has pulled off a planning coup that could thwart Home Office proposals to turn the Dambusters’ former base into a migrant camp.

RAF Scampton, the former home of the Dambusters squadron and the Red Arrows, was on Thursday given extra legal protection from the scheme by being included in a new local regeneration plan.

West Lindsey District Council believes that could provide the legal ammunition it needs to shoot down the Home Office proposal to turn the former RAF base into a camp for 1,700 asylum-seekers.

The site has been designated an “opportunity area” under the new local plan for central Lincolnshire. This is largely because the council has negotiated a £300 million deal with developers to preserve the historic base as an operational aviation and aerospace hub and national heritage site.

It means the Home Office could be found to be in breach of planning rules if it goes ahead with its asylum camp. The council has already begun legal action by sending a pre-action letter to the Home Office ahead of seeking a judicial review of the asylum scheme.

The council will use its new designation to argue to the High Court that the camp cannot go ahead without wrecking the £300 million regeneration scheme and falling foul of planning laws.

Sally Grindrod-Smith, West Lindsey’s director of planning, said: “Today is a landmark moment as any future proposals for the site will be required to follow due process and conform with this policy [to regenerate RAF Scampton as an aerospace and heritage site].

“It is clear the Home Office’s recent announcement regarding RAF Scampton has not considered the key material planning matters and has not paid due attention to statutory processes.”

Finningley Boy 14th Apr 2023 17:08


Originally Posted by stevef (Post 11415243)
Fair enough, assuming the applicants can speak passable English and don't have an issue with handling certain foods. :) (Positive vetting for some positions apply, of course.)
Footnote: they shouldn't expect their hosts to bend over backwards to accommodate their guest status. Accept and respect our culture. Full stop.

And I could tell you all a personal story, currently unfolding, about the hoops I'm going through to prove I have the right to work in the UK, that I am a UK citizen etc. Passport, SC clearance, DBS certificate, proof of address, CV and employment history over the last five years, not good enough. I now have to upload all into some trust advisor government "cloud". All this before my new company can start paying me, the thing is, I have simply transferred under the oversight of the client from one company, which has just lost it's due accreditation, to another.

FB

NutLoose 14th Apr 2023 17:32

It would be grossly unfair though, keen hard working individuals that used to freely travel to the U.K. as part of the EU to seasonally pick fruit to support their families back home now find themselves barred, while you are proposing allowing illegal immigrants who on the whole are not wanted here to take their work on. Immigrants who we have no details on, who for all we know could well be a security risk.

Expatrick 14th Apr 2023 18:12


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11419943)
It would be grossly unfair though, keen hard working individuals that used to freely travel to the U.K. as part of the EU to seasonally pick fruit to support their families back home now find themselves barred, while you are proposing allowing illegal immigrants who on the whole are not wanted here to take their work on. Immigrants who we have no details on, who for all we know could well be a security risk.

Good point.

chevvron 25th Jun 2023 16:55

According to another forum, some 'people who travel round in caravans' have torn part of the fence down presumably to establish an illegal camp.
Course being a weekend, there'll be nobody there to do anything about it.

retiredcrewman 25th Jun 2023 20:57


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11456830)
According to another forum, some 'people who travel round in caravans' have torn part of the fence down presumably to establish an illegal camp.
Course being a weekend, there'll be nobody there to do anything about it.

I believe that someone has seen the HHA aircraft wrapped in white ‘plastic’ parked at 22 threshold and mistaken them for caravans. From a distance it is difficult to see clearly what they are. Also DIO are now in charge of the site and have 24/7 civilian security - no reports of fences being damaged just the odd ‘urban explorer’ climbing over to nose around.

chevvron 5th Jul 2023 09:15

Apparently an application has been made by 'RAF Heritage' to West Lindsey District Council for 'Listed Building Consent' to allow the removal of 'The Dog's' grave and its memorial to RAF Marham.

NutLoose 5th Jul 2023 09:27


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11462197)
Apparently an application has been made by 'RAF Heritage' to West Lindsey District Council for 'Listed Building Consent' to allow the removal of 'the Dog's' grave and its memorial to RAF Marham.


Which in part thwarts what the local council is trying to do in building a heritage site as part of overall scheme, it strikes me as archaeologically plundering the site and its history.

chevvron 5th Jul 2023 09:37

Application was made by Wg Cdr Erica Ferguson on the grounds that the fate of the heritage site status may be at risk even though it's already 'Listed' Grade II.
It was in the Daily Mail so it must be true.

retiredcrewman 5th Jul 2023 11:43

Application
 
The RAF have applied to remove the grave to Marham on the grounds that the Home Office plans mean that the heritage centre will not go ahead and the grave will not be safeguarded/maintained. Public planning meeting this evening (5th July)

David Thompson 5th Jul 2023 15:02

The application , Planning Application No 146711 , was made on the 9 May 2023 and the location given was Hanger (sic) 2 , RAF Scampton .

I have a copy of the application but don't have the facility/nous to post it , however it states ;
"Listed building consent to remove the railings , excavate and remove the grave marker and any zooarchaeological material for relocation ."

Finningley Boy 5th Jul 2023 19:01


Originally Posted by David Thompson (Post 11462390)
The application , Planning Application No 146711 , was made on the 9 May 2023 and the location given was Hanger (sic) 2 , RAF Scampton .

I have a copy of the application but don't have the facility/nous to post it , however it states ;
"Listed building consent to remove the railings , excavate and remove the grave marker and any zooarchaeological material for relocation ."

An utter and absolute disgrace. This is our modern quartered witted establishment's shallow grasp of our own history.

FB

retiredcrewman 5th Jul 2023 19:16

The application has been rejected. FWIW I think the RAF were trying to do the right thing and my worry now is that over time the hangars and ‘grave’ will be left to deteriorate.

David Thompson 5th Jul 2023 20:12


Originally Posted by retiredcrewman (Post 11462536)
The application has been rejected. FWIW I think the RAF were trying to do the right thing and my worry now is that over time the hangars and ‘grave’ will be left to deteriorate.

Some details in the local media ;

https://mylocal.co.uk/lincolnshire/feed/84776

downsizer 6th Jul 2023 07:20

I just don't see what these people hope to achieve. There simply isn't the interest these days to preserve somewhere like Scampton. The best thing to do would have been to move the dog, if it's even there, to Marham.

cheekychimp 6th Jul 2023 07:50


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11462710)
I just don't see what these people hope to achieve. There simply isn't the interest these days to preserve somewhere like Scampton. The best thing to do would have been to move the dog, if it's even there, to Marham.

Try living here, it's awful. Every lamppost has a sign saying 'Save our Scampton' or something similar, save it for what? If that film hadn't been made no-one would give a monkey's.

downsizer 6th Jul 2023 11:35

I'm all for the preservation of history, but I can't see the benefit of any preservation of a relatively remote derelict airfield.

ItsonlyMeagain 6th Jul 2023 11:48

Scampton is only 5.1 miles north of Lincoln City centre with a population 97.5K, so I guess about 3 miles from the edge. I’m sure there are few there who would describe it as remote.

Me


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