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Ninthace 3rd Feb 2023 11:44


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 11379224)
Yes, Montana is about 50% larger than the UK in area and has only 2% of the population - about one million. It's a big state - 550 miles east-west and 300 miles north south.

You could shoot the balloon down with minimal risk of hitting anyone!

Why bother? Its presence is known and knocking it down gives an indication of high altitude defence capability.

ChrisJ800 3rd Feb 2023 12:05

Looks more like a university or scientific instrument than a military asset...

rmcdonal 3rd Feb 2023 12:12

How did it get this far before being noticed? Doesn't the US have an ADIZ? I would have thought a 3xbus sized floating o ject would have triggered something before it was over the top of mainland US, and been dealt with before that point.

DaveReidUK 3rd Feb 2023 12:19

BBC News reporting that it "flew over several sensitive military installations".

Presumably, being a balloon, then like any other balloon it just went where the wind took it?

Ninthace 3rd Feb 2023 12:21


Originally Posted by rmcdonal (Post 11379250)
How did it get this far before being noticed? Doesn't the US have an ADIZ? I would have thought a 3xbus sized floating o ject would have triggered something before it was over the top of mainland US, and been dealt with before that point.

Top of my head but isn't most of it is thin plastic? And it would have a very low doppler.

B Fraser 3rd Feb 2023 12:41


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11379252)
BBC News reporting that it "flew over several sensitive military installations".

I managed that as they were not marked as such on the half mil map. The discussion with MOD Plod was interesting as they appeared not to know about the omission either. It ended with "now that you know, don't do it again".

:O

Asturias56 3rd Feb 2023 12:45

Minuteman silos are easily spotted using Google earth - I doubt a balloon would add much info

ETOPS 3rd Feb 2023 13:37

Stand down - it's a weather balloon :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64515033

melmothtw 3rd Feb 2023 13:37


Why bother? Its presence is known and knocking it down gives an indication of high altitude defence capability.
True, but by the same token if it is feeding intelligence back in real time you don't want it staying aloft.

melmothtw 3rd Feb 2023 13:39


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11379252)
BBC News reporting that it "flew over several sensitive military installations".

Presumably, being a balloon, then like any other balloon it just went where the wind took it?

Presumably, the Chinese (assuming it was them) waited until favourable winds were forecast, and from nearly 20 km up it doesn't have to pass over the targets in order to get a good look at them.

Andrewgr2 3rd Feb 2023 13:46

Perhaps it is a stray weather balloon- but the PRC would say that, wouldn’t they? If it is actually spying then it might be more beneficial for the US to intercept its transmissions and decode what it is reporting than it would be to bring it down - if indeed they have the technology to bring down something flying at perhaps 80,000 feet. If they do have the technology they might not want to demonstrate it.

BFSGrad 3rd Feb 2023 13:55


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11379277)
Minuteman silos are easily spotted using Google earth - I doubt a balloon would add much info

The “sensitive area” claim is a media distractor. While there’s plenty of physical security sensitive areas associated with Malmstrom AFB, there’s nothing sensitive to aerial surveillance. If you want to photograph an ICBM silo, go rent a C172 and snap away. Much more economical than a high-altitude balloon. Anything “sensitive” associated with the Malmstrom ICBM facilities is underground. The locations of the ICBM silos is widely known; e.g., the U.S. is required to provide its ICBM silo geographic coordinates to Russia (and vice versa) under arms control treaties.

melmothtw 3rd Feb 2023 14:00


If you want to photograph an ICBM silo, go rent a C172
​​​​​​​Wouldn't have to range to cross the Pacific.

Sue Vętements 3rd Feb 2023 14:03

Spying Over Montana?

Looking at a map I've always got the feeling that Montana is an old man spying on Idaho. Sticking his nose right into Idaho's business

https://media.officedepot.com/images...40_o01/8325540


You can't unsee that now





"If you want to photograph an ICBM silo, go rent a C172 and snap away" - Not so easy to do in the US any more. Not if you're not a citizen at least

Ninthace 3rd Feb 2023 14:49


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11379297)
True, but by the same token if it is feeding intelligence back in real time you don't want it staying aloft.

If you know it is there, you do not give it any intelligence to gather other than height, pressure, wind speed, temperature, humidity, atmospheric composition, presence of pollutants, incidence of cosmic rays, ozone levels and so on. :=

melmothtw 3rd Feb 2023 14:56


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11379330)
If you know it is there, you do not give it any intelligence to gather other than height, pressure, wind speed, temperature, humidity, atmospheric composition, presence of pollutants, incidence of cosmic rays, ozone levels and so on. :=

Lol, good luck getting any government/military organisation to move that quick.

albatross 3rd Feb 2023 15:01

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb

Maybe it has been drifting around since 1945.

Ninthace 3rd Feb 2023 15:03


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11379334)
Lol, good luck getting any government/military organisation to move that quick.

We used to!

langleybaston 3rd Feb 2023 15:10


Originally Posted by MechEngr (Post 11379028)
Don't forget to correct for curvature of the Earth!

Negloble over a 5 mile base line.

Nearly Legober ...... a bit early for that.

Fanger trouble

BFSGrad 3rd Feb 2023 15:16


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11379231)
Why bother? Its presence is known and knocking it down gives an indication of high altitude defence capability.

Not much to reveal as the U.S. routinely tests its various high- and mid-level missile defense systems. The oddity would be employing such a capability from the interior of the U.S. Seems a Patriot would do the job.


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