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oldmansquipper 26th Aug 2022 17:33


Originally Posted by red cuillen (Post 11285704)
Not enough posted to cut and paste but a tweet from red 10, and announcements from those unfortunate people who organised the Sidmouth air show

Thank you. Let’s hope it’s not like a premiership footballer being conveniently ‘injured’ just before a transfer, if you get my drift.

airsound 26th Aug 2022 17:35

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...es/ar-AA118kWk

Wonder if Rhyl is also affected....

airsound

NutLoose 26th Aug 2022 18:10


Originally Posted by oldmansquipper (Post 11285691)
source?

Please do tell…

I checked the tweets being referred too by Red cuillen


Unfortunately, due to a number of engineering issues, the
@rafredarrows
will not be able to perform at Sidmouth airshow and therefore will also not be
@Exeter_Airport
. We are extremely disappointed and can only apologise to everyone.
https://twitter.com/RAFRed10

biscuit74 27th Aug 2022 20:17

Admittedly, these are now some quite elderly aircraft. However, this statement about 'a number of engineering issues' sounds suspiciously like an excuse.

I hope the maintainers/engineers are not being used as handy scapegoats for the problems apparently down to pilots and possibly personalities.

old,not bold 28th Aug 2022 10:20

The consensus opinion among the boats waiting on the edge of the exclusion zone off Sidmouth last Friday, as word of the cancellation was spread by the Exmouth Lifeboat crew, was that the "engineering issues" didn't really convince anyone. After all, "they've got 2 spare aircraft, haven't they?". But no-one would have wanted to them to fly while distracted by their problems, and we all settled down happily to enjoy the rest of the Show, especially the Spit, which seemed to be displaying to the boats rather then the beach. But perhaps that's just the new regs in action.

AnglianAV8R 28th Aug 2022 12:52

Dare I ask..... Are they in twubble for something not already discussed in here ?
Friday, I heard the reds go past our abode, on their way to Clacton. I was curious about their return routing from Clacton and looked up the NOTAM...
They had been on route as per the NOTAM when they went past us. Their return route was to be overhead Woodbridge, Framlingham and Harleston and then across Norfolk around the Marham area.
There was only one aircraft transponding, I assume that would make sense for a formation..
They returned via a differentt route to that in the NOTAM, up the coast and then turned West just short of Beccles, (meat bomber was active) then thru the overhead of Shipdham at circa 1200' and appeared to go thru a NOTAM warning area for paragliding around the Marham MATZ stub.
So, they transit an area where there is considerable GA activity, at a level where many light aircraft are likely to be operating, pass directly overhead Shipdham whereas their NOTAM route avoided their overhead and then went thru an area where paragliding activity had been warned.
If it is considered sensible to publish a NOTAM for a low level formation of fast jets, surely the alternative routing should have been flown at a higher level away from the clutter of GA traffic.
I appreciate that the online data can be errant at times, but I believe there's enough meat on the bone here to be concerned.
This begs the question, what's the point in publishing a route and not keeping to it, while other pilots read the NOTAM and plan around it for the common goal of flight safety ?

sycamore 28th Aug 2022 13:01

Looked to me on Thursday at Cln,that one of the Reds bogged off early,going directly N over Cln airfield...



Archimedes 28th Aug 2022 17:23

It appears that a bird has now decided to add to the Reds' problems - one through the canopy and a landing at Hawarden. Acknowledgement toTwitter user IanC (handle =
@IAmAnIanIAm) from whose feed the image is taken

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbQ0Z9jX...jpg&name=large

Confusious 28th Aug 2022 17:26

I'm not on Twitter, was this the reason for the no show at EGTE?

Archimedes 28th Aug 2022 17:35


Originally Posted by Confusious (Post 11286659)
I'm not on Twitter, was this the reason for the no show at EGTE?

Apologies - edited a typo and removed reference to the fact that the Tweet was from this afternoon; the RAFAT was due to be at Rhyl according to their list of displays.

charliegolf 28th Aug 2022 17:44


Originally Posted by Confusious (Post 11286659)
I'm not on Twitter, was this the reason for the no show at EGTE?

No, it was a birdstrike!:ok:

CG

Confusious 28th Aug 2022 17:51


Originally Posted by Archimedes (Post 11286664)
Apologies - edited a typo and removed reference to the fact that the Tweet was from this afternoon; the RAFAT was due to be at Rhyl according to their list of displays.

Ta very much!

Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11286667)
No, it was a birdstrike!:ok:

CG

😃

treadigraph 28th Aug 2022 19:07

Bet the bird didn't tweet after that...

airsound 28th Aug 2022 19:53

I wonder why Red 10 referenced "a number of engineering issues" for the team's non-appearance at Sidmouth when it seems pretty clear that there was a bird strike.

airsound

langleybaston 28th Aug 2022 20:40

Birds do seem to be a problem one way or another.

Coachcpt 29th Aug 2022 06:25


Originally Posted by airsound (Post 11286711)
I wonder why Red 10 referenced "a number of engineering issues" for the team's non-appearance at Sidmouth when it seems pretty clear that there was a bird strike.

airsound

the bird strike was yesterday - Sunday. As I understand it was a display on Friday at Sidmouth that was cancelled due to “tech issues”.

Looks like some mighty good aviating getting the damaged Hawk back, open cockpit and all.

7of9 29th Aug 2022 07:34

https://apple.news/AxWtc7Sj-RKut_abMsAvg5g

https://apple.news/AG1MzYZnjRKiv8JmKwSxY7A

BEagle 29th Aug 2022 09:26

The pilot was extremely fortunate. sharpend's encounter with a mallard duck was far, far worse as described in his excellent book A Cold War Fighter Pilot in Peacetime and War.


Diff Tail Shim 29th Aug 2022 09:29


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11286962)
The pilot was extremely fortunate. sharpend's encounter with a mallard duck was far, far worse as described in his excellent book A Cold War Fighter Pilot.

Indeed, lost an eye. That was a windscreen strike I believe.

Timelord 29th Aug 2022 10:01

I wonder where the MDC ended up. I seem to remember a similar incident in the past where the pilot had to fly back with the MDC looped around his neck!


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