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seafuryfan 14th May 2022 07:06

DM: RAF probe drunken Red Arrow airman
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...behaviour.html



The RAF is investigating the Red Arrows over allegations of drinking, it has emerged.

Sources claim one pilot has been sent home from Greece, where the famous aerobatic display team is training.

An insider claimed: ‘There is a huge under-the-table inquiry going on. It’s to do with alcohol and suspected inappropriate behaviour. The head of the RAF is personally involved in the Red Arrows probe.’
The display team is the pride of the Royal Air Force – and the public face of the service.

The best pilots in the business perform death-defying stunts, zooming over crowds producing perfect plumes of red, white and blue smoke.

They attend key British events, performing at air shows, festivals and the most prestigious royal celebrations.



Finningley Boy 14th May 2022 08:36

Seafuryman,

I can't believe this is from the Daily Mail, not with the lines like death defying stunts and zooming over crowds etc.

FB

peterperfect 14th May 2022 09:05

Henceforth to be known as Retsina 11

The Helpful Stacker 14th May 2022 10:11

Hang on

RAF pilot = officer = 'high jinks', surely?

"March the guilty b***ard in" is only reserved for those who avoided Cranwell Polytechnic isn't it?

MPN11 14th May 2022 10:17


Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker (Post 11230087)
Hang on

RAF pilot = officer = 'high jinks', surely?

"March the guilty b***ard in" is only reserved for those who avoided Cranwell Polytechnic isn't it?

Not entirely. I had the unpleasant task of formally [and very carefully] charging one of my JOs before remanding him to the CO and subsequent CM.

Of course in this instance it may have been a 'bottle to throttle' offence without 'high jinks and jolly japes' being involved.

teeonefixer 14th May 2022 10:30

The RAF website says today that they are flying a seven-ship formation this year - any connection ?

Cat Techie 14th May 2022 10:45


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11230089)
Not entirely. I had the unpleasant task of formally [and very carefully] charging one of my JOs before remanding him to the CO and subsequent CM.

Of course in this instance it may have been a 'bottle to throttle' offence without 'high jinks and jolly japes' being involved.

Would be more likely I suspect and no idea if the Greeks are also involved in the opening of the issue. Droping the formation to 7 for display is the easy get out.

H Peacock 14th May 2022 11:39

Well I’d heard several weeks ago a rumour that they’d dropped to 8! 🤔

Treble one 14th May 2022 15:30

Still 9 pilots listed on their website. Shame about the 7 ship this year.

NutLoose 14th May 2022 15:37

What are they probing him with?

Blossy 14th May 2022 19:17

Only approved instruments I dare say.

Dunhovrin 14th May 2022 20:24


Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker (Post 11230087)
is only reserved for those who avoided Cranwell Polytechnic isn't it?

Do you mean Sleaford Tech?

Finningley Boy 15th May 2022 06:32


Originally Posted by Blossy (Post 11230266)
Only approved instruments I dare say.

You're losing me?...!:ooh:

FB

4everAD 15th May 2022 06:34

This headline really winds me up, when are people going to realise its Aviator not Airman 🤣

charliegolf 15th May 2022 11:18

Is the decision to go to seven related to this 'probe'? If yes, what happened to innocent til proven guilty? Or, is it, "He/she will of course be reinstated if no guilt is established, but the team has to use the time available in order to get a DA."?

CG

Finningley Boy 15th May 2022 11:22

According to Flightline UK the team are down to seen because two pilots have been posed away on other duties. It goes onto to explain things in general a bit, about how there might not be enough aircraft or if the pilot/crew are sick etc.

FB

NutLoose 15th May 2022 12:12


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11230410)
You're losing me?...!:ooh:

FB

I asked what they were probing him with and that was the reply to it,
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b587a71f42.jpg

diginagain 15th May 2022 12:14


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11230544)
According to Flightline UK the team are down to seen because two pilots have been posed away on other duties.
FB

How apposite

sycamore 15th May 2022 12:31

Must be for the `Top Gun 2` premiere....

langleybaston 15th May 2022 12:56


Originally Posted by 4everAD (Post 11230414)
This headline really winds me up, when are people going to realise its Aviator not Airman 🤣

Pilot might have done.

Background Noise 15th May 2022 16:32


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11230544)
According to Flightline UK the team are down to seen because two pilots have been posed away on other duties. It goes onto to explain things in general a bit, about how there might not be enough aircraft or if the pilot/crew are sick etc.FB

To be fair, that site is just quoting the RAF statement: https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...-rafat-in-2022

DuncanDoenitz 15th May 2022 16:55

FIND OUT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE PERFORM HERE

Does nobody proof-read anything?

MPN11 15th May 2022 17:22

Of course they do, It's done by a civvy clerk in MoD PR who can't spell aeroplane so just puts 'jet' instead. Or has 'airman' on a function key, instead of 'pilot'.

langleybaston 15th May 2022 17:23

More or less, no.

So long as a quick spool chick gives a tick in the box, it seems not to matter if a load of old cobblers is published.

We also have that nasty competition for writing the longest sentence. The D Tel often approaches 60 words.

Some time ago I had the privilege of reading a Robert Graves mss. It was fascinating to see his scribbled corrections corrected and corrected again. Good English [I make no personal claim] requires old-fashioned effort.

uxb99 15th May 2022 17:34

A six ship would be at least symmetrical.

Baldeep Inminj 15th May 2022 17:37

Is this really news? I suppose it remains to be seen what the 'inappropriate behaviour' was. I was based at Akrotiri in the early noughties and the Reds were regular visitors for their winter training. They were notable for getting absolutely trollied in the bar, and then taxxing as a 9 ship the following morning and doing some frankly rather impressive flying. They were notorious for trying to pull other guys wives and it was always clear that they had forgotten to pack their morals on the way out of their homes as they headed for Akrotiri. In fact they actually had bets on which team member could 'plough the most wives' in Cyprus.

As human beings they were members of a depraved and obscenely arrogant club and they were widely regarded as complete and utter onanists - real scumbags whose wives undoubtedly had no idea what they got up to on tour.. As pilots however, they were certainly better than me and I really enjoyed watching them, I must be honest. And yes, one of them once spent the best part of 7 weeks trying to bed my wife when I was flying. He got nowhere.

...at least I don't think he did...

...come to think of it, my son has grown up to be a real a$shole...

langleybaston 15th May 2022 17:47

At the risk of being called an ignorant civilian [I am, I am], I diffidently wonder out loud if the Reds are past their sell-by date.

Is there really any demonstrable recruiting value? If not, what else do they achieve, at great cost.

Standing by for incoming.

Haraka 15th May 2022 17:52


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11230711)
Is this really news? I suppose it remains to be seen what the 'inappropriate behaviour' was. I was based at Akrotiri in the early noughties and the Reds were regular visitors for their winter training. They were notable for getting absolutely trollied in the bar, and then taxxing as a 9 ship the following morning and doing some frankly rather impressive flying. They were notorious for trying to pull other guys wives and it was always clear that they had forgotten to pack their morals on the way out of their homes as they headed for Akrotiri. In fact they actually had bets on which team member could 'plough the most wives' in Cyprus.

As human beings they were members of a depraved and obscenely arrogant club and they were widely regarded as complete and utter onanists - real scumbags whose wives undoubtedly had no idea what they got up to on tour.. As pilots however, they were certainly better than me and I really enjoyed watching them, I must be honest. And yes, one of them once spent the best part of 7 weeks trying to bed my wife when I was flying. He got nowhere.

...at least I don't think he did...

...come to think of it, my son has grown up to be a real a$shole...

THAT, for me at least, has got to be one of the funniest punch line submissions for a long time !


57mm 15th May 2022 18:12

Going to look weird for the Jubilee fly past then.......

Background Noise 15th May 2022 18:18


For national flypast events, it is intended that the team will consist of all nine aircraft, with experienced RAFAT pilots completing the formation.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...-rafat-in-2022

MPN11 15th May 2022 18:27


Originally Posted by Haraka (Post 11230720)
THAT, for me at least, has got to be one of the funniest punch line submissions for a long time !

Concur. And with the rest of Baldeep’s post. I don’t like ‘Elites’ … the RAF is/was a Team effort, with a sharp end that pricks .., oh, what did I mean to say there?

Cat Techie 15th May 2022 19:51


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11230711)
Is this really news? I suppose it remains to be seen what the 'inappropriate behaviour' was. I was based at Akrotiri in the early noughties and the Reds were regular visitors for their winter training. They were notable for getting absolutely trollied in the bar, and then taxxing as a 9 ship the following morning and doing some frankly rather impressive flying. They were notorious for trying to pull other guys wives and it was always clear that they had forgotten to pack their morals on the way out of their homes as they headed for Akrotiri. In fact they actually had bets on which team member could 'plough the most wives' in Cyprus.

As human beings they were members of a depraved and obscenely arrogant club and they were widely regarded as complete and utter onanists - real scumbags whose wives undoubtedly had no idea what they got up to on tour.. As pilots however, they were certainly better than me and I really enjoyed watching them, I must be honest. And yes, one of them once spent the best part of 7 weeks trying to bed my wife when I was flying. He got nowhere.

...at least I don't think he did...

...come to think of it, my son has grown up to be a real a$shole...

The Fail will love that. Then again a squadron detachment anywhere had its first night madness.

ShyTorque 15th May 2022 20:24


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11230544)
According to Flightline UK the team are down to seen because two pilots have been posed away on other duties. It goes onto to explain things in general a bit, about how there might not be enough aircraft or if the pilot/crew are sick etc.

FB

Well that might have been inadvertently appropriate! :D

Davef68 15th May 2022 20:34

It seems unusual for pilots on an RAFAT tour to be posted to other duties - has that happened before?

Pearly White 16th May 2022 00:03


Originally Posted by Background Noise (Post 11230678)
To be fair, that site is just quoting the RAF statement: https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...-rafat-in-2022

Which has now been updated to read "moved on"...

Barksdale Boy 16th May 2022 00:36

I was lucky enough to meet them at an event in Hong Kong in October/November 2016. They could not have been better ambassadors for both their service and their country.

Fly3 16th May 2022 02:11

Over the years I have met them many times and always found them to be arrogant a..holes. No denying their flying ability though.

Wycombe 16th May 2022 07:14


Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy (Post 11230848)
I was lucky enough to meet them at an event in Hong Kong in October/November 2016. They could not have been better ambassadors for both their service and their country.

Spent a day with them at Scampton earlier that year, total gents (but every RAF pilot is well-behaved on his home patch!)

megan 16th May 2022 07:25

Met them at the roof top bar of our hotel in Nice, we drinking beer after a day of tourist stuff, they drinking non alcoholic prior to heading off to some commitment in red flying suits, absolute gentlemen with whom we chatted, not long after the tragic ejection seat episode. Agree fully with Barksdale Boy.


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