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rattman 22nd Mar 2022 10:34


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11203866)
As has been posted multiple times, how is it possible that this information could be extracted from the tsunami of words sloshing around, when the language is going to be so generic ? There won't be key words like " Hill 247" but far more general terms such as "tactics" or "refuelling " in the analysis and comments that you mention.


Its not they are bored and just finding something to get thier knickers in a twist about.

The plane spotter groups I know have good relationships with airfield security and actually report suspicious behaviour to them. Several I know have been directly been asked to not post of mention specific movements

Geriaviator 22nd Mar 2022 11:00

I still think the stream of low-level info can be mined for useful info -- think Enigma and the massive card-index system of WW2. But then I came across this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60762772

Brewster Buffalo 22nd Mar 2022 12:51


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11203633)
..... But once analysis, discussion, comments and opinions based on personal and professional knowledge is applied, that becomes a potential area of concern. ....,....

But isn't this is happening now on TV when some, now retired, senior rank gives their professional analysis and opinion of what may happen next.?

cynicalint 22nd Mar 2022 14:53

So glad I could amuse you!

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 22nd Mar 2022 14:59


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11203881)

The plane spotter groups I know have good relationships with airfield security and actually report suspicious behaviour to them.

So true. At most of the airfield viewing areas there are signs giving relevant telephone numbers to do so. I recall being in the tower when there was a Jaguar "incident" on the runway. We sent Rover out to the spotters and asked if any had it on film. It was a long time ago but i believe the Phot section or 41 developed the film straight away and the owners got a freebie afternoon visit to the tower.


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11203881)
ISeveral I know have been directly been asked to not post of mention specific movements

Interesting. So on the one hand we have stations asking spotter groups to be cautious, an IntO warning of the dangers, people directly/indirectly involved urging restraint...and on the other hand the "experts" stating it is not an issue. :ok:

fitliker 22nd Mar 2022 18:32

Why would two defence ministers say that they have exhausted their supplies of anti-tank weapons ?
Are they baiting another trap with deliberate misinformation ?

tartare 22nd Mar 2022 23:51


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 11203974)
But isn't this is happening now on TV when some, now retired, senior rank gives their professional analysis and opinion of what may happen next.?

Precisely.
It happened during Kosovo and before then as well.

Tartiflette Fan 23rd Mar 2022 06:46


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 11204302)
Precisely.
It happened during Kosovo and before then as well.

Just adds to the fog, doesn't it ? These pundits comment on open-source information, so presumably simply regurgitate tactics from their text-books of 20/30 years before : none of which ought to be a surprise to a major adversary. I cannot see this adds anything of real use.

T28B 24th Mar 2022 02:49

This thread is now contributing nothing further and thus is now locked.


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