Sorry Pr00ne, your attitude to security and the safety of serving personnel on the fringes of a war zone is disgraceful.
You fail to grasp the basics here.

I'm out of this discussion, I have said my piece.

All I ask is that before ANYONE posts ANYTHING on here, facebook, twitter etc they THINK about what harm they could cause. Every single snippet of intel "could" be useful.

My post was in response to the OP who was having a go at "spotters" posting info and opinions. Whilst I still maintain that most Opsec was in fact rubbish, and designed to conceal embarrassment and wrong doing in high places, so much so that it seemed to glory in hiding information from the public and press that was known, or sometimes even provided, to the likes of the Soviets. Opsec clearly has its place, but not in the clumsy hamfisted way it was applied in my day, and in 2022 needs to recognise the reality of the modern world with social media and instant communication, and an informed and sophisticated public who will no longer tolerate secrecy for secrecy sake.

Please be free to mind your own business about my attitude! It may have escaped your attention but this is a war between Russian and Ukraine and no UK personnel are currently involved. Every single snippet of intel "could' be useful? For goodness sake this is a rumour site on social media, get real!

Pr00ne, I see and understand your position. I agree fully that hiding information for purely political reasons is entirely wrong, Not concealing wrong doing and embarrassment in high places is something where we are in violent agreement . I fully agree with not tolerating secrecy for secrecy's sake and not covering up corruption or incompetence. My point, all along, is to highlight the folly of giving open source material veracity and credence by using it in a discussion on a site like this, to show superior knowledge or as has been alluded to before "I knew this before you".

So, here's an example of how far things have gone now.
All in the public domain - widely known about and discussed, so no new revelations.
Civilians doing their own detailed MASINT on synthetic aperture radar.
https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...radar-systems/
I find it astonishing, and also have no doubt that military radar operators are well aware of this.
Note the five day revisit of the satellites mentioned further down in the article, so it's not real time.

I didn't intend to start this thread; my post was in response to something on the 'Ukraine' thread, but the PPRuNe admin decided to use it to open this thread.... Which came as a surprise.

Nevertheless, there are some good views on this thread. And there are others.....

SO1 J2 in Moscow telling his analysts to read this thread...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ada42b896c.gif

Thank you ^^^

lol ;) pretty much sums it up

If Putin adopted the Johnson & McNamara practice of advising the next days targets it would help no end, done to avoid civilian casualties it was said.

"by using it in a discussion on a site like this, to show superior knowledge"

Yes but on Pprune almost any post is immediately followed by posters disagreeing, correcting, suggesting some other explanation, or commenting in even more detail (often wandering miles off subject).

Concise reportage and conclusions are not found on PPrune

How do the Russians (for example) decide who is putting up an informed view and which are noise from someone who retired 40 years ago? We can't................ and I doubt they can - the odd nugget is drowned by a bucket load of ... something else

Knowing the typical Thread drifts which every forum tends to take, it probably rather serves as distraction. While wading through hundreds of posts full of personal opinion, they can't do real intel... :E

Someone needs to throttle the BBC reporting live from a railway station and reporting movements.

But setting it up on the side of a main road it would suggest they were hoping it would get published to get the message over loud and clear.

The german ACT, (DFS) has an internetsite wich shows the traffic in the lower airspace.
It is suposed to be used for noise complains.
That site is down, since the beginning of the war.

https://stanlytrack3.dfs.de/st3/STANLY_Track3.html

I agree with much that is said here re opsec on SPECIFIC events, eg the idiot who identified the GR4s accompanying the tanker northbound. However, even I who have been out of "the loop" for 25 years can put two and two together and assume that where there are tankers in a seeming towline over Eastern Europe for hours on end that there will be some sort of tactical asset depending on them, especially as the strategic assets don't go anywhere near them. As they are showing up on ADSB I can only assume that NATO wants the Russians to know they are there otherwise I suspect their mode S would be quickly switched off, as are most of the tactical assets in the UK airspace. Now, if I can work that out perhaps Ivan, whose sole job is to gather intel on what is where and when, can also work it out and that all the BEDEWINDOW criers on here could maybe understand that and stop calling people with an interest in this sort of thing names?

For goodness sake the MoD had invited news camera teams onboard the Voyager filming the Typhoons alongside! It was on media across the globe from GB News to CNN via Al Jazeera. There have been official press releases from the MoD on the enhanced NATO patrols that the RAF is carrying out. it is NOT a secret!!!!!!!!

Over inflated sense of self worth.
 

Whilst I agree with the idea that ‘loose lips sink ships’ this thread does make me smile. If Russia’s intelligence services are in the position where Pprune is the first place they have heard a snippet of useful information then I would suggest we truly have nothing to fear from them.

That being said I will continue to make zero comments about any military matters in Ukraine. Mainly because I have absolutely nothing of interest to add.

BV

Mostly my point!! I hadn't seen that news report.

Somebody did a paper about it that is on line is here https://kar.kent.ac.uk/50411. There is a timeline at the end of the document that covers when information was released. The Information about UXB's came out of a few MOD press briefings, the reports from the Press guys down there were heavily censored and it didn't come from them. Yes it was incompetent and the Royal Navy stamped down on it very quickly. Of the attacks that happened afterwards, there were still a large number of UXB's with 50% plus of the bombs being dropped failing to explode.