Prince Andrew Loses Military Titles
 

40 years ago:

Sad he went under, but only himself to blame. He could have had it all.

Well he might have tried to do just that....

A terrible thing, all round. Another sad day for Her Majesty.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Agreed. Although the picture of him with Ghislaine Maxwell and one of the underage girls doesn't look too good!

Rumours he is to lose his HRH as well...

Innocent, whilst actively evading the FBI, DoJ and the courts to preclude any chance of a criminal investigation, with the kind assistance of the Met Police, until proven guilty.

Innocent, to a lower burden of proof in a civil court, whilst actively evading the courts, disclosure process, actually being 'served', using the Met Police as a shield and actually played 'the card' written by a convicted and deceased co-conspirator and claimed that it was effectively a get-out-of-jail for such an obvious defendant such as he, until proven liable for his acts.

Again, not a suitable position to be in and actively hold military titles and positions. He may meet the criteria listed above to participate on this sub-forum but I doubt he would be welcome now.

a bit of a rubbish rumour then. He won’t lose the title, he’s agreed not to use it, in the same way that the Sussexes don’t use theirs.

The Queen is the fount of honour. If she says he is not an HRH, as reported, he is not an HRH

End of.

He could be in even more poo, they could charge him with bringing the forces into disrepute and give him jankers..

one out, another in... wonder what Tony Blair did to recieve his knighthood from "the Queen of the nation". She lost all honesty in that action lest for 'le club'

Fine if they keep their titles, but no more taxpayer money for their 'lavish lifestyles intersected with sexual misencounters' and they pay taxes just like the rest of us including their own security, special education, pref treatment in the armed forces, transportation etc.

And don't start about Harry, the spoiled **** who won't play second violin to his brother and is being played by that Hollywood scarlet of his. But then again same applies to the other 'king of the people' and his argentinian...

Vive la revolution, le roi est mort! (and the you had a Macron, after a Hollande, after Sarkozy!. . and some sheeple still believe in a fair electorial process :}​​​​​​)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4ea9e1c6c4.jpg

The Andrew formerly known as Prince.

Lost my HRH title? Nooo sweat.

Just wondering, would he go to the US to face charges or stay here. After all, Ann Sacoolas will be giving "evidence" via video link and not attending the UK on a much more serious matter - Death by Dangerous Driving!

:hmm:

Also while hiding under the protection of his mother https://www.reddit.com/r/AbolishTheM...or_amy_robach/ and teresa May before she became PM

He'd have it easy here. Bill Clinton isn't worried.

And yet Sir Philip Green is still, somehow, a "Sir".

oh, nothing will actually happen to him. Or his equally evil wife. However…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ite-House.html

Does Her Majesty have a service Webley she can leave sat on a table somewhere appropriate?

He'll get his day in court.

But his conduct by remaining friends with a convicted pedophile, his utterly disastrous performance in the BBC interview which he did against the advice of the Royal media experts, his general arrogance and unlikeability and his shockingly poor judgement throughout warrant being kicked to the curb. It also helps with general damage control for "the firm".

As I recal the FBI released files as part of an FOI in 2019 that his uncle Louis had a penchant for underage boys in sailor uniforms. That didn't get much attention.

You won the Internet today, bravo!

I seem to recall a nasty episode many years ago when a poor sod on security accosted Andrew in the Palace Grounds. The said Andrew said "do you know who I am?" and the poor sod, new to the job, was hauled over the coals.
From tomorrow it would be "do you know who I was?"

[Or, "I don't know who you are, but I know what you are!]

Zero sympathy from PPRUNE I note.

and a fine single malt ....................

For those worried about his Taxpayers income - I believe he’s already on ‘subsistence allowance’ of circa 250Kpa from his mom - plus his navy pension. He’s had to sell ‘his’ dodgy ski chalet to pay off his lawyers fees (to date) and his business support stuff has pancaked…and just now he’s had a lot of his dress suits taken off him and his global free ticket has been removed!
He was already jammed hard between that Rock and hard place - damned if he was sent to trial and damned if he settled out of court - and - in my view - the Pizza Hut and lack of sweat tales damned him anyway.

Not surprising given that PPrune appears to be trying to out-outrage the Daily Mail, at least on this forum.

Please enlighten us as to why we should be sympathetic when his own mother the Queen isn’t ?

But not quite all of of his appointments, since he apparently will retain the rank of Vice Admiral - and I'm not holding my breath waiting for someone to say "How appropriate".... LS&GC medal and clasps may perhaps be at risk, not to mention any future Jubilee medals.

Jack

Prince Andrew Loses Military Titles
 

I notice that in the most recent photographs the prince is sporting a new medal ribbon mounted in preference to the South Atlantic Medal. This is a very recent addition (2021 to date). Does anyone know what the medal is and when it was awarded? Also is he in danger of losing his Naval LS&GCM?

Can he have his LS&GCM taken away? Never heard of such happening before. Not that he will have reason to wear medals bar the reasons we would wear them for Remembrance. He isn't going to be needing them for duty.

Daily Mail is written for such an audience. Todays actions are something that gave HM no pleasure to do at all I wager, but she knows the duty requirements. Randy Andy burned his bridge, nobody else.

What are you trying to suggest? Epstein didn’t bring underage teens to the White House:

I agree with innocent until proven guilty.

Well this was a preemptive measure and not punishment….yet.
Basically put on unpaid leave pending the likely outcome.

That would have raised a smile with my late father had he still been around, as he was with Royal Protection at Buck House, Ken Palace & Windsor back in the early 80's, and I recall a few tales of his about Andrew's penchant for 'testing' security at Windsor and the Palace with nighttime excursions and other activities......and much use of the "Don't you know who I am" phrase.

He has done himself no favours and we all know his lifestyle has had some dubious moments, but ask yourself what you would do if someone accused you of doing something in the distant past and wanted compensation for it ( and whatever she says, I believe Andrew’s accuser is after a payday more than justice)? I suspect that most people have had a one night stand many years ago and if they were introduced to you today, you would have no idea who they were.

How do you prove that you didn’t do it and how do you fund a defence? It certainly wouldn’t be easy. There is also a good chance that your life would be ruined in the process, whether innocent or guilty and especially if you have a high profile.

He might be considered a creep by a lot of people, but he is in a no-win situation. Unlike his accuser.

There are some - shall we say contentious? - issues in his tale which must surely be amenable to easy confirmation - or not.

Of course many of us have “brief liaisons” in our past when perhaps we can’t even remember their names, let alone what they looked like.

But:

The “no sweat” item. I’ve recently got - through FOI - all my service medical records. His must be available.

The Pizza Express defence. Apart from the fact that this may involve his daughters having to testify, I must ask:

Surely a Prince and two Princesses popping in for a pizza is sufficiently unusual - even in Woking - for it to be etched in the memories of the staff of the pizzeria.

More obviously, he would have been accompanied by his “minders” I don’t know how long they keep their records, but again, such an unusual event must be logged somewhere……

It is - of course - just a Government plot to get BoJo off the front pages [that’s a joke btw…….]

Or a bank card statement, cant imagine he would be the kind of person to carry cash around

There will be many information streams available that will enable those currently with access and an interest, to check Andrew’s version of events. Her Majesty will be one such party. Travel and medical records, plus the records of Andrew’s close protection officers being just a few examples. It seems possible to presume the Queen has acted on the basis of such information.

I believe the next stage in the legal process will be disclosure? In which each party must respond to requests for information from the other. At that point it should be relatively straightforward to determine whether the case is vexatious, or whether it might justify closer scrutiny?

I think the Queen’s actions, and those of Andrew’s legal team thus far, might suggest that, on the basis of what can already be determined, the allegations are not easily dismissed?

I rather suspect Andrew is in a situation that makes it difficult to disprove/discredit what is being alleged. I imagine there’s a chance he might not even try?