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NutLoose 4th May 2021 17:06

Honeywell Admits Sending F-35, F-22 Part Drawings To China
 
Words fail me

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-more-to-china


The matter at hand had to do with Honeywell's alleged unauthorized export of dozens of technical drawings relating to components of various aircraft, missiles, and tanks, including the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, the B-1B bomber, the Tomahawk cruise missile, and the M1A1 Abrams, to multiple countries, including China. American officials contend that some of the disclosures harmed national security, something that Honeywell denies.

All of these alleged exports had to do with drawings that "contained engineering prints showing layouts, dimensions, and geometries for manufacturing castings and finished parts for multiple aircraft, military electronics, and gas turbine engines" used on various aircraft and ground vehicles. The documents were shared via DEXcenter, "a file exchange platform" that the Honeywell employees in question typically use to "transfer drawings to suppliers."

That document includes the following list of impacted platforms, with a caveat that this was only some of the examples, rather than a full accounting:


GlobalNav 4th May 2021 19:42

Weak Penalty
 

Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11038711)

Honeywell should have been fined billions and some heads should roll.

Less Hair 4th May 2021 19:45

How can this happen?

MPN11 4th May 2021 19:46

I find it [almost] unbelievable, but IT does present great opportunities for such culpable stupidity. I look forward to the legal proceedings..

etudiant 4th May 2021 20:16

Possibly deliberate, it is much more useful to have the potential opponents get all exited about stealing and replicating your stuff than to have them actually innovate in some unpredictable fashion.
Iirc, the Navy take was 'a stern chase is a long one'.

Asturias56 5th May 2021 07:28

With a bit of luck they'll have included the full spec for ALICE

Lyneham Lad 5th May 2021 09:17

Presumably the Purchasing Department at Honeywell just sent the drawings out willy-nilly to potential suppliers (regardless of nationality) in their never-ending quest for the cheapest quote - 'never mind the quality, feel the width...'

Two's in 5th May 2021 14:09

A typical State Department penalty is that the offender is responsible for redesigning and improving the exposed sensitive technology within a short period to mitigate the breach. Great for technology roadmaps but very expensive for the miscreant.

Courtney Mil 5th May 2021 15:56

ALICE, ALICE, who the f*** is ALICE?

Lordflasheart 5th May 2021 16:08

...
Maybe he is referring to this ?

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us...stem-alis.html
...

keith williams 5th May 2021 16:26

All part of a cunning plan to bankrupt china by getting to build copies of the F35.

Asturias56 5th May 2021 17:40


Originally Posted by Lordflasheart (Post 11039262)
...
Maybe he is referring to this ?

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us...stem-alis.html
...

Indeed - it would put the PLA back a decade.................

Capn Bug Smasher 6th May 2021 11:05

ALICE - if I am correct - All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment

the US Army's equivalent of those huge British Bergen rucksacks.

Presumably uncomfortable, in no way ergonomic, and designed by people who never had to use it... and therefore of great benefit to Chinese soldiers!

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Hot 'n' High 6th May 2021 14:32


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11038994)
With a bit of luck they'll have included the full spec for ALIS

Yet again, we need a "Like" button!!! :ok: To be fair, ALIS is LM. But your point is a good one all the same!

Beancountercymru 6th May 2021 20:56

ALIS? Let them use LITS

tartare 7th May 2021 08:20


Originally Posted by keith williams (Post 11039271)
All part of a cunning plan to bankrupt china by getting to build copies of the F35.

Well, spending them to death did work in defeating the Rooskis...

fitliker 8th May 2021 05:02


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 11040229)
Well, spending them to death did work in defeating the Rooskis...

That is one theory , there are others .
I predicted the collapse of the Soviets in 1977 during a rather heated drinking session in the Red Dragon lounge at Aberdeen university Just before the Clash played there on the White Riot tour .The bar that night was infested with trots and ballet dancers . We were only there for the cheap beer .
A simpler time before smart phones made everyone stupid .


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